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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Tyan works closely with the MSFT Windows
CCS product group, and have been told by <span class=GramE>MSFT <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>that</span> the IB WHQL tests are to be
done by <span class=SpellE>Mellanox</span>, and our recent conversation with <span
class=SpellE>Mellanox</span> was their driver has not been WHQL certified yet. <span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>We are interested in getting our next
generation cluster product certified and have the OFA stack integrated into our
CCS release as soon as possible.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>Without the WHQL certification, we cannot have our CCS pre-installed
systems shipped with IB integrated.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Does anyone know what the real story is,
please?<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><span class=GramE>If <span
class=SpellE>Silverstorm</span> is doing the work, what is <span class=SpellE>Mellanox</span>'
role?</span><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Could the real Windows
IB WHQL developer stand up, please?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Ching-<span class=SpellE>ching</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Woodruff, Robert J
[mailto:robert.j.woodruff@intel.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, November 09, 2006
1:20 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ryan, Jim; Sujal Das;
asafs@voltaire.com; bboas@systemfabricworks.com; johann.george@qlogic.com;
dford@netapp.com; jriotto@cisco.com; Thad Omura<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> openfabrics-ewg@openib.org;
openib-promoters@openib.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Openib-promoters]
[openfabrics-ewg] Microsoft chooses not to be on Agenda at Dev. Summit</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Jim,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I recall from the last
OpenFabrics workshop at IDF that the Microsoft program manager for</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>HPC said durring
their presentation that Microsoft was actively helping with getting the
stack WHQL'd</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>on CCS, working
with the people from Mellanox and Fab.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>woody</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:
12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
openfabrics-ewg-bounces@openib.org [mailto:openfabrics-ewg-bounces@openib.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Ryan, Jim<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, November 09, 2006
12:28 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Sujal Das; asafs@voltaire.com;
bboas@systemfabricworks.com; johann.george@qlogic.com; dford@netapp.com;
jriotto@cisco.com; Thad Omura<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> openfabrics-ewg@openib.org;
openib-promoters@openib.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [openfabrics-ewg]
[Openib-promoters] Microsoft chooses not to be on Agenda at Dev. Summit</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Sujal, sorry, but I
disagree. But maybe I just didn't explain myself. To my knowledge WHQL
testing has been discussed many times, but because of the complexity of the
stack, it's never been agreed to. I believe additional work on the
testing process was needed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I also disagree with your
statement about MSFT and iWARP. When the issue of iWARP came up initially I
called Jim Pinkerton personally to get his views. He said he had no choice but
to come to OpenIB as an authoritative source of a single stack for IBA.
However, for iWARP, Jim said they intended to provide support natively in their
OS, so there was nothing for us to do for iWARP support in conjunction with the
Windows stack for IBA.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>AFAIK, the only work
before is to get the IBA stack WHQL certified - I don't know that
there's any iWARP work to be done. I'm happy to be proven wrong,
but that's what I understand<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Sujal Das
[mailto:Sujal@Mellanox.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, November 09, 2006
10:57 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> asafs@voltaire.com; Ryan, Jim;
bboas@systemfabricworks.com; johann.george@qlogic.com; dford@netapp.com;
jriotto@cisco.com; Thad Omura<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> openfabrics-ewg@openib.org;
openib-promoters@openib.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Openib-promoters]
Microsoft chooses not to be on Agenda at Dev. Summit</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;
margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>I second Asaf on this. <br>
<br>
There has been significant work done on the Windows IB stack. But just by
a handful of vendors. <br>
<br>
The statement about Microsoft not doing WHQL on the OFA Windows stack is
incorrect. The statement about Microsoft supporting iWARP only is
incorrect - their Longhorn strategy is transport agnostic. SAN providers
for Longhorn can still come from OFA - no one is precluding it. Someone
needs to do the real work.<br>
<br>
The OFA Windows stack as it exists today in Beta form has been used by
Microsoft in some of their CCS deployments and is being actively tested within
MS. There is no lack of support from Microsoft. There is however,
lack of windows developer participation in OFA, relative to Linux. That is the
crux of the problem.<br>
<br>
We can discuss how to fix that.<br>
<br>
Sujal<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: openib-promoters-bounces@openib.org
<openib-promoters-bounces@openib.org><br>
To: jim.ryan@intel.com <jim.ryan@intel.com>; bboas@systemfabricworks.com
<bboas@systemfabricworks.com>; johann.george@qlogic.com
<johann.george@qlogic.com>; dford@netapp.com <dford@netapp.com>;
jriotto@cisco.com <jriotto@cisco.com>; Thad Omura<br>
Cc: openfabrics-ewg@openib.org <openfabrics-ewg@openib.org>;
openib-promoters@openib.org <openib-promoters@openib.org><br>
Sent: Thu Nov 09 09:55:30 2006<br>
Subject: Re: [Openib-promoters] Microsoft chooses not to be on Agenda at Dev.
Summit<br>
<br>
<br>
Guys,<br>
<br>
As I stated earlier today, not having MS lead the panel or attend at all has
nothing to do with having a session on the OFA windows project. Voltaire
and Mellanox have been working on this project and invested more resources than
SS. Voltaire is shipping products based on this project and our OEMs
resell it. As part of the OFA community Voltaire decided to discontinue
its proprietary stack when this project started. We should treat it as a viable
project.<br>
<br>
If needed Voltaire will glad to lead this discussion next week it would be even
more appropriate to do it jointly with MLNX.<br>
<br>
Asaf<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
--------------------------<br>
Asaf Somekh<br>
Voltaire - The Grid Backbone<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Ryan, Jim <jim.ryan@intel.com><br>
To: Bill Boas <bboas@systemfabricworks.com>; Asaf Somekh; Johann George
<johann.george@qlogic.com>; David Ford <dford@netapp.com>; Jamie
Riotto <jriotto@cisco.com>; Thad Omura <Thad@Mellanox.com><br>
CC: Open Fabrics <openfabrics-ewg@openib.org>;
openib-promoters@openib.org <openib-promoters@openib.org><br>
Sent: Thu Nov 09 18:56:38 2006<br>
Subject: RE: Microsoft chooses not to be on Agenda at Dev. Summit<br>
<br>
Bill, thanks for raising the question. I'm a little confused by what's<br>
happening from the earlier initiative shown by SilverStorm in developing<br>
and then "controlling" the Windows stack, through some of their<br>
initiatives around version control and so on. It's not clear that's<br>
continuing on, or that it's been handed off to someone<br>
<br>
I'm afraid working with MSFT will be frustrating. They don't seem to<br>
want to work with us on WHQL certification, and as you know they have<br>
their plan for iWARP support, so we'll never have something in the<br>
Windows arena that will works as seamlessly as what we envision for<br>
Linux.<br>
<br>
My recommendation is to continue the work we've started recently with<br>
SDP and make it clear we'd like to engage more broadly, because we do.<br>
An IBA solution that leaves out Windows isn't nearly as appealing as one<br>
that includes it<br>
<br>
I'm certainly open to other ideas<br>
<br>
Thanks, jim<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Bill Boas [<a href="mailto:bboas@systemfabricworks.com">mailto:bboas@systemfabricworks.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:43 AM<br>
To: 'Asaf Somekh'; Ryan, Jim; 'Johann George'; 'David Ford'; Jamie<br>
Riotto; 'Thad Omura'<br>
Cc: 'Open Fabrics'; openib-promoters@openib.org<br>
Subject: Microsoft chooses not to be on Agenda at Dev. Summit<br>
<br>
Microsoft has withdrawn their "talk" on the basis it's a primarily
Linux<br>
agenda and attendees will not be that interested. They are saying they<br>
will<br>
have an observer present.<br>
<br>
OF Windows seems to be somewhat in a hiatus? As an Alliance we should<br>
figure<br>
out what we want to do about it?<br>
<br>
One approach might be to form a small group to work out an approach to<br>
Microsoft to try to form a tighter collaboration between the Alliance,<br>
per<br>
se, and Microsoft as an alternative to each of the IB h/w vendors<br>
working<br>
separately with them, as it appears is now the way it is going??<br>
<br>
Microsoft has repeated their strong interest in working with the<br>
Alliance<br>
but there so far the evidence of that work is where????<br>
<br>
Thoughts, please!<br>
<br>
Bill Boas<br>
VP, Business Development | System Fabric Works<br>
bboas@systemfabricworks.com | 510-375-8840<br>
<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Asaf Somekh [<a href="mailto:asafs@voltaire.com">mailto:asafs@voltaire.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:13 AM<br>
To: Jeff Squyres; Bill Boas<br>
Cc: Open Fabrics<br>
Subject: RE: [openfabrics-ewg] Results of agenda teleconf<br>
<br>
<br>
Jeff,<br>
<br>
Inserted Or and Yaron instead of Voltaire TBDs.<br>
<br>
As for the Windows session - I believe we should have it even if<br>
Microsoft doesn't show up. There are issues that we need to discuss<br>
regardless.<br>
<br>
Asaf<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: openfabrics-ewg-bounces@openib.org<br>
[<a href="mailto:openfabrics-ewg-bounces@openib.org">mailto:openfabrics-ewg-bounces@openib.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Jeff Squyres<br>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 8:58 PM<br>
To: Bill Boas<br>
Cc: 'Open Fabrics'<br>
Subject: Re: [openfabrics-ewg] Results of agenda teleconf<br>
<br>
On Nov 7, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Bill Boas wrote:<br>
<br>
> Because I requested it for the many people interested in the agenda <br>
> that do not wish to find or use the Developers wiki.<br>
<br>
I've addressed these points in prior e-mails, so clearly the <br>
information is not being received somehow. None of us have any more <br>
time before SC to continue this debate. I'll happy continue to <br>
discuss this over food and beverage while at SC.<br>
<br>
So -- see you all at SC! :-)<br>
<br>
--<br>
Jeff Squyres<br>
Server Virtualization Business Unit<br>
Cisco Systems<br>
<br>
<br>
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