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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=660231621-09112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Jim,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=660231621-09112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>I recall from the last OpenFabrics workshop at IDF that the
Microsoft program manager for</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=660231621-09112006><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>HPC said <SPAN class=328231821-09112006>durring
their</SPAN> presentation that Microsoft was actively helping with getting
the stack WHQL'd</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=660231621-09112006><SPAN class=328231821-09112006>on CCS</SPAN>,
working<SPAN class=328231821-09112006> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
class=660231621-09112006>with the people from Mellanox and
Fab.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> openfabrics-ewg-bounces@openib.org
[mailto:openfabrics-ewg-bounces@openib.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ryan,
Jim<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:28 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Sujal
Das; asafs@voltaire.com; bboas@systemfabricworks.com; johann.george@qlogic.com;
dford@netapp.com; jriotto@cisco.com; Thad Omura<BR><B>Cc:</B>
openfabrics-ewg@openib.org; openib-promoters@openib.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[openfabrics-ewg] [Openib-promoters] Microsoft chooses not to be on Agenda at
Dev. Summit<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sujal, sorry, but I
disagree. But maybe I just didn’t explain myself. To my knowledge WHQL testing
has been discussed many times, but because of the complexity of the stack, it’s
never been agreed to. I believe additional work on the testing process was
needed.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I also disagree with
your statement about MSFT and iWARP. When the issue of iWARP came up initially I
called Jim Pinkerton personally to get his views. He said he had no choice but
to come to OpenIB as an authoritative source of a single stack for IBA. However,
for iWARP, Jim said they intended to provide support natively in their OS, so
there was nothing for us to do for iWARP support in conjunction with the Windows
stack for IBA.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">AFAIK, the only work
before is to get the IBA stack WHQL certified – I don’t know that there’s any
iWARP work to be done. I’m happy to be proven wrong, but that’s what I
understand<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Jim<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Sujal Das
[mailto:Sujal@Mellanox.com] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:57
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> asafs@voltaire.com;
Ryan, Jim; bboas@systemfabricworks.com; johann.george@qlogic.com;
dford@netapp.com; jriotto@cisco.com; Thad Omura<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> openfabrics-ewg@openib.org;
openib-promoters@openib.org<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [Openib-promoters] Microsoft
chooses not to be on Agenda at Dev. Summit</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I second Asaf on this. <BR><BR>There has been
significant work done on the Windows IB stack. But just by a handful of
vendors. <BR><BR>The statement about Microsoft not doing WHQL on the OFA
Windows stack is incorrect. The statement about Microsoft supporting iWARP
only is incorrect - their Longhorn strategy is transport agnostic. SAN
providers for Longhorn can still come from OFA - no one is precluding it.
Someone needs to do the real work.<BR><BR>The OFA Windows stack as it exists
today in Beta form has been used by Microsoft in some of their CCS deployments
and is being actively tested within MS. There is no lack of support from
Microsoft. There is however, lack of windows developer participation in
OFA, relative to Linux. That is the crux of the problem.<BR><BR>We can discuss
how to fix that.<BR><BR>Sujal<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From:
openib-promoters-bounces@openib.org
<openib-promoters-bounces@openib.org><BR>To: jim.ryan@intel.com
<jim.ryan@intel.com>; bboas@systemfabricworks.com
<bboas@systemfabricworks.com>; johann.george@qlogic.com
<johann.george@qlogic.com>; dford@netapp.com <dford@netapp.com>;
jriotto@cisco.com <jriotto@cisco.com>; Thad Omura<BR>Cc:
openfabrics-ewg@openib.org <openfabrics-ewg@openib.org>;
openib-promoters@openib.org <openib-promoters@openib.org><BR>Sent: Thu Nov
09 09:55:30 2006<BR>Subject: Re: [Openib-promoters] Microsoft chooses not to be
on Agenda at Dev. Summit<BR><BR><BR>Guys,<BR><BR>As I stated earlier today, not
having MS lead the panel or attend at all has nothing to do with having a
session on the OFA windows project. Voltaire and Mellanox have been
working on this project and invested more resources than SS. Voltaire is
shipping products based on this project and our OEMs resell it. As part of
the OFA community Voltaire decided to discontinue its proprietary stack when
this project started. We should treat it as a viable project.<BR><BR>If needed
Voltaire will glad to lead this discussion next week it would be even more
appropriate to do it jointly with
MLNX.<BR><BR>Asaf<BR><BR><BR><BR>--------------------------<BR>Asaf
Somekh<BR>Voltaire - The Grid Backbone<BR><BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Ryan, Jim <jim.ryan@intel.com><BR>To: Bill Boas
<bboas@systemfabricworks.com>; Asaf Somekh; Johann George
<johann.george@qlogic.com>; David Ford <dford@netapp.com>; Jamie
Riotto <jriotto@cisco.com>; Thad Omura <Thad@Mellanox.com><BR>CC:
Open Fabrics <openfabrics-ewg@openib.org>; openib-promoters@openib.org
<openib-promoters@openib.org><BR>Sent: Thu Nov 09 18:56:38
2006<BR>Subject: RE: Microsoft chooses not to be on Agenda at Dev.
Summit<BR><BR>Bill, thanks for raising the question. I'm a little confused by
what's<BR>happening from the earlier initiative shown by SilverStorm in
developing<BR>and then "controlling" the Windows stack, through some of
their<BR>initiatives around version control and so on. It's not clear
that's<BR>continuing on, or that it's been handed off to someone<BR><BR>I'm
afraid working with MSFT will be frustrating. They don't seem to<BR>want to work
with us on WHQL certification, and as you know they have<BR>their plan for iWARP
support, so we'll never have something in the<BR>Windows arena that will works
as seamlessly as what we envision for<BR>Linux.<BR><BR>My recommendation is to
continue the work we've started recently with<BR>SDP and make it clear we'd like
to engage more broadly, because we do.<BR>An IBA solution that leaves out
Windows isn't nearly as appealing as one<BR>that includes it<BR><BR>I'm
certainly open to other ideas<BR><BR>Thanks, jim<BR><BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Bill Boas [<A
href="mailto:bboas@systemfabricworks.com">mailto:bboas@systemfabricworks.com</A>]<BR>Sent:
Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:43 AM<BR>To: 'Asaf Somekh'; Ryan, Jim; 'Johann
George'; 'David Ford'; Jamie<BR>Riotto; 'Thad Omura'<BR>Cc: 'Open Fabrics';
openib-promoters@openib.org<BR>Subject: Microsoft chooses not to be on Agenda at
Dev. Summit<BR><BR>Microsoft has withdrawn their "talk" on the basis it's a
primarily Linux<BR>agenda and attendees will not be that interested. They are
saying they<BR>will<BR>have an observer present.<BR><BR>OF Windows seems to be
somewhat in a hiatus? As an <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Alliance</st1:place></st1:City> we should<BR>figure<BR>out what we
want to do about it?<BR><BR>One approach might be to form a small group to work
out an approach to<BR>Microsoft to try to form a tighter collaboration between
the <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Alliance</st1:place></st1:City>,<BR>per<BR>se, and Microsoft as an
alternative to each of the IB h/w vendors<BR>working<BR>separately with them, as
it appears is now the way it is going??<BR><BR>Microsoft has repeated their
strong interest in working with the<BR><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Alliance</st1:place></st1:City><BR>but there so far the evidence of
that work is where????<BR><BR>Thoughts, please!<BR><BR>Bill Boas<BR>VP, Business
Development | System Fabric Works<BR>bboas@systemfabricworks.com |
510-375-8840<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Asaf Somekh [<A
href="mailto:asafs@voltaire.com">mailto:asafs@voltaire.com</A>]<BR>Sent:
Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:13 AM<BR>To: Jeff Squyres; Bill Boas<BR>Cc: Open
Fabrics<BR>Subject: RE: [openfabrics-ewg] Results of agenda
teleconf<BR><BR><BR>Jeff,<BR><BR>Inserted Or and Yaron instead of Voltaire
TBDs.<BR><BR>As for the Windows session - I believe we should have it even
if<BR>Microsoft doesn't show up. There are issues that we need to
discuss<BR>regardless.<BR><BR>Asaf<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:
openfabrics-ewg-bounces@openib.org<BR>[<A
href="mailto:openfabrics-ewg-bounces@openib.org">mailto:openfabrics-ewg-bounces@openib.org</A>]
On Behalf Of Jeff Squyres<BR>Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 8:58 PM<BR>To:
Bill Boas<BR>Cc: 'Open Fabrics'<BR>Subject: Re: [openfabrics-ewg] Results of
agenda teleconf<BR><BR>On Nov 7, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Bill Boas wrote:<BR><BR>>
Because I requested it for the many people interested in the
agenda <BR>> that do not wish to find or use the Developers
wiki.<BR><BR>I've addressed these points in prior e-mails, so clearly
the <BR>information is not being received somehow. None of us have
any more <BR>time before SC to continue this debate. I'll happy
continue to <BR>discuss this over food and beverage while at SC.<BR><BR>So
-- see you all at SC! :-)<BR><BR>--<BR>Jeff Squyres<BR>Server
Virtualization Business Unit<BR>Cisco
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