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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The EWG is waiting on the OFA board to decide the future of OFED.  Until then, all EWG meetings are cancelled.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> ewg <<a href="mailto:ewg-bounces@lists.openfabrics.org">ewg-bounces@lists.openfabrics.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Davis, Arlin R<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [ewg] OFA EWG Meeting: Monday, April 4th 2020 - Minutes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u>Attendees                    Company          <o:p></o:p></u></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Arlin Davis                     Intel                                
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Bob Woodruff               Intel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Bill Snapko                     HPE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Rupert Dance               SW Forge<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Vladimir Sokolovsky    Mellanox<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class="MsoNormal">Devesh Sharma             Broadcom<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Eddie Wai                       Broadcom<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Jim Ryan                         OFA    <o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Agenda:<o:p></o:p></span></b></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">         </span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">OFA board asked if EWG community would be interested in supporting an OFED “lite” distribution going forward. <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">         </span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">OFED lite option:<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">   </span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Simple packaging, update drivers only – ported to in-box distro release of rdma-core<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">   </span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Bug fixing only, no new features, in-kernel rdma_core would not be replaced/modified<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre style="margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">         </span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">IBTA use of OFED – brief history from Rupert  <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">   </span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Initially used OFED, supported all vendors with distribution – everyone backported drivers<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">   </span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Then moved to MOFED for Mellanox, OFED for other vendors that still supported backports from upstream kernel <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">   </span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Now, MOFED for Mellanox, in-box distro releases for vendors (Broadcom, Cavium), OFED no longer useful without backports<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">o<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">   </span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Unless this new model supported driver updates, within 1-2 months of distro release it will be too dated to be useful <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2">Open discussion regarding OFED lite option<span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">General feeling is that there is little value with driver fixes only, should just go directly to distro upgrade packages, supported and timely
 (yum update)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">OFED driver fixes packaged for in-box release, installed by customers, wouldn’t be supported by distro’s
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Requires vendors to build/maintain drivers across many different kernel source trees and rdma_core stacks<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2">Cavium email,  “<span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">we prefer to deliver our own drivers to customers, we don’t see the added value of having a common ofed release if it’s just
 for drivers”<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Broadcom and HPE still see the value in getting the latest upstream rdma-core feature set for their customers<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Broadcom is willing to pick up rdma-core, compat-rdma porting if they get help.
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Suggestion was made to take a quick rollcall - OFED lite vs continue with OFED full support<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><u><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Company             OFED lite              OFED full<o:p></o:p></span></u></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Broadcom           no                           yes<u><o:p></o:p></u></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Mellanox             no                           no<u><o:p></o:p></u></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Intel                       no                           no<u><o:p></o:p></u></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">SW Forge             no                           no<u><o:p></o:p></u></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">HPE                        no                           yes<u><o:p></o:p></u></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level2 lfo2"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cavium (email)  no                           no<u><o:p></o:p></u></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Please send any corrections or omissions as needed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Arlin<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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