[openib-general] [ANNOUNCE] Contribute RDS(ReliableDatagramSockets) to OpenIB

Michael Krause krause at cup.hp.com
Fri Nov 11 12:00:02 PST 2005


At 10:28 AM 11/9/2005, Rick Frank wrote:
>Yes, the application is responsible for detecting lost msgs at the 
>application level - the transport can not do this.
>
>RDS does not guarantee that a message has been delivered to the 
>application - just that once the transport has accepted a msg it will 
>deliver the msg to the remote node in order without duplication - dealing 
>with retransmissions, etc due to sporadic / intermittent msg loss over the 
>interconnect. If after accepting the send - the current path fails - then 
>RDS will transparently fail over to another path - and if required will 
>resend / send any already queued msgs to the remote node - again insuring 
>that no msg is duplicated and they are in order.  This is no different 
>than APM - with the exception that RDS can do this across HCAs.
>
>The application - Oracle in this case - will deal with detecting a 
>catastrophic path failure - either due to a send that does not arrive and 
>or a timedout response or send failure returned from the transport. If 
>there is no network path to a remote node - it is required that we remove 
>the remote node from the operating cluster to avoid what is commonly 
>termed as a "split brain" condition - otherwise known as a "partition in time".
>
>BTW - in our case - the application failure domain logic is the same 
>whether we are using UDP /  uDAPL / iTAPI / TCP / SCTP / etc. Basically, 
>if we can not talk to a remote node - after some defined period of time - 
>we will remove the remote node from the cluster. In this case the database 
>will recover all the interesting state that may have been maintained on 
>the removed node - allowing the remaining nodes to continue. If later on, 
>communication to the remote node is restored - it will be allowed to 
>rejoin the cluster and take on application load.


Please clarify the following which was in the document provided by Oracle.

On page 3 of the RDS document, under the section "RDP Interface", the 2nd 
and 3rd paragraphs are state:

    * RDP does not guarantee that a datagram is delivered to the remote 
application.
    * It is up to the RDP client to deal with datagrams lost due to 
transport failure or remote application failure.

The HCA is still a fault domain with RDS - it does not address flushing 
data out of the HCA fault domain, nor does it sound like it ensures that 
CQE loss is recoverable.

I do believe RDS will replay all of the sendmsg's that it believes are 
pending, but it has no way to determine if already sent sendmsgs were 
actually successfully delivered to the remote application unless it 
provides some level of resync of the outstanding sends not completed from 
an application's perspective as well as any state updated via RDMA 
operations which may occur without an explicit send operation to flush to a 
known state.  I'm still trying to ascertain whether RDS completely recovers 
from HCA failure (assuming there is another HCA / path available) between 
the two endnodes.

Mike
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