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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>As I already mentioned,
Mellanox released its Simulator. You can find it in <a
href="https://openib.org/svn/gen2/utils/src/linux-user/IBMgtSim/">https://openib.org/svn/gen2/utils/src/linux-user/IBMgtSim/</a>
. The problem is that this Simulator is build to work with the Mellanox Gold
environment. So either you get use Mellanox gold (that is based on gen1) or
port the Simulator to gen2.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am not aware to any
other opensource simulators.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Shahar<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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abhijitngpune [mailto:abhijitngpune@indiatimes.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, March 30, 2005
6:52 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">shaharf</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> openib-general@openib.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: RE: [openib-general]
OpenSM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p dir=LTR><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>hi,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p dir=LTR><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>
Is there any opensource subnet simulator? Where can i get it?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p dir=LTR><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Abhijeet<br>
<br>
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>"<st1:PersonName
w:st="on">shaharf</st1:PersonName>"</span><SHAHARF@VOLTAIRE.COM></i></b>
wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi </span></font><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><u1:PersonName u2:st="on">abhijitngpune</span></font></u1:PersonName><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>OpenSM do not know care
about the topology of the network. Every connected graph is valid for it. BTW,
fat tree can have cycles too. If I don’t err, the algorithm used by the
OpenSM is a variation of some well known graph algorithm invented by Dijkstra
or based on one of Dijkstra’s (I hope I write his name correctly)
algorithm. You can find these algorithms in any graph theory text book –
look for “find all shortest paths” algorithms. (for example : <a
href="http://ciips.ee.uwa.edu.au/~morris/Year2/PLDS210/dijkstra.html">http://ciips.ee.uwa.edu.au/~morris/Year2/PLDS210/dijkstra.html</a>
)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Very briefly the
algorithm that the opensm is using goes like that:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>1. All switches learn
about themselves (hop 0) and any direct connected hosts (hop 1). They keep this
information in a forwarding table that contains (schematically) the following
information (the actual details are a bit more complicated to be able to
support multipathing) :<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Lid (local port id),
out-port, hops<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>2. Now you start the
hop>1 learning phase that use several passes over the switches. On every
single pass, you go over all switches (the order does not matter) and within
each switch you go examine any direct attached switch called
“neighbor”. For every such neighbor you compare your
forwarding table to neighbor table. If you find a lid that have hop count less
than your hop count +1 (for the extra hop between you and the neighbor switch)
you change you table entry to route that lid thought the connecting port.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>3. You repeat the above
process until no table is changed during a complete pass, or until number of
switch passes are done.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The correctness of this
algorithm is left to the reader ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It seems that you are
using gen1 stack and Opensm. Please be aware to the fact that gen1 tree is not supported
any more. Please use gen2.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The opensm Tcl extension
is not supported on gen2 and I don’t know on any plans to support it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regarding the topology
example – any connected graph will do. I guess that most connected graphs
are very inefficient traffic wise, but still all of them are valid.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Demonstrating that a
topology is configured correctly is a bit of a problem. If you are willing to
spend some efforts, you can use the topology simulator released with Melloanox
Gold – look for the IBADM package. This stuff is not very well documented
but it should be useable. Melloanox released (or about to release) a real
subnet simulator that you can use to run opensm on top of it. Using this
simulator you can test any arbitrary topology. The problem is that you have to
port this simulator to gen2.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Any volunteers are
welcomed…<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Shahar<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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openib-general-bounces@openib.org [mailto:openib-general-bounces@openib.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of <u1:PersonName u2:st="on"></span></b>abhijitngpune</u1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, March 29, 05 3:09
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> openib-general@openib.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [openib-general] OpenSM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal dir=LTR><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Hi all, I am a new to infiniband and related issues. I
have some few doubts related to openSM. 1. how does openSM support the non fat
tree (graph having cycles) topologies? (any research paper will do) 2. Given a
graph (it contains cycles) topology how can i demonstrate that subnet manager
working for this topology? 3. What is openSM tcl extension is used for? does
anybody have example code for perticular (irregular/ non fat tree) topology?
Abhijeet <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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