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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Intel MPI (real consumer of uDAPL) has no
problem with this change.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
dat-discussions@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dat-discussions@yahoogroups.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Kanevsky, Arkady<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, October 19, 2005
6:40 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Grant Grundler; Caitlin
Bestler<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Roland Dreier;
swg@infinibandta.org; dat-discussions@yahoogroups.com;
openib-general@openib.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [dat-discussions] RE:
[openib-general] Re: iWARP emulation protocol</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><tt><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Grant,</span></font></tt><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">The developers of the application(s) in questions
are aware of the</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">discussion.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">I will leave it to them to respond.</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">I bring the discussion point at the weekly DAT
Collaborative meeting</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">which we have every Wednesday.</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">I appologize that the DAT Collaborative charter
does not allow</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">to submit contribution without joining DAT
Collaborative.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">But this is no different from Linux not accepting
any contrubutions</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">without proper license.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Byt be rest assure that as a Chair I bring the
concerns</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">and suggestions stated in email discussion at the
DAT meetings.</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Arkady</font></tt><br>
<br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Arkady
Kanevsky
email: arkady@netapp.com</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">Network
Appliance
phone: 781-768-5395</font></tt><br>
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Fax: 781-895-1195</font></tt><br>
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w:st="on">02451-2010</st1:PostalCode></font></tt></st1:place><tt><font
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central phone: 781-768-5300</font></tt><br>
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<tt><font face="Courier New">> -----Original Message-----</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> From: Grant Grundler [mailto:iod00d@hp.com] </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:02 PM</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> To: Caitlin Bestler</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> Cc: Grant Grundler; Roland Dreier; Kanevsky, Arkady;
</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> swg@infinibandta.org;
dat-discussions@yahoogroups.com; </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> openib-general@openib.org</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> Subject: Re: [openib-general] Re: iWARP
emulation protocol</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 04:40:54PM -0700,
Caitlin Bestler wrote:</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> > > Roland (and the rest of us) would
like to see someone name a</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> > > real consumer of the proposed
interface. ie who depends on </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> > > this change?</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> > > Then the dependency for that
use/user can be discussed and </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> > > appropriate tradeoffs made. Make
sense?</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> > </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> > Unfortunately not every application that
is under </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> development, or even </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> > deployed, can be discussed in a
google-searchable public </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> forum. That </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> > especially applies to user-mode
development.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> Well, this is open source. While I don't want
to preclude </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> closed source developement, it's usually
necessary to have an </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> open source consumer that any open source
developer can test with.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> > So I could have actually tested such
applications and still not be </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> > free to cite them here.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> Understood. I'm not asking *you* to cite one
unless you</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> happen to own one of the consumers. </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> > With any luck some of them</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> > are following the discussion and will
jump in on their own. </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> > Unfortunately, since they are developing
to uDAPL they are </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> unlikely to </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> > be following this discussion.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> It doesn't help that the DAT yahoo-groups.com
mailing list is </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> rejecting my replies. It would be
helpful if someone </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> following this forum could share Roland's
question with DAT </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> mailing list if it didn't make it there
already and possibly </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> explain why naming a consumer is necessary.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> </font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> hth,</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> grant</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> </font></tt><br>
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