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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hi Judy,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Ahhh… I see now.  I didn’t answer that question below.  The format command is essentially built into the driver by a state machine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">When we receive the format command we immediately issue the *<b>hot remove</b>* command… but that is done inline. So, once we call Storport to kick off the enumeration, we simply return back
 to handling the format command in NVMeStartIoProcessIoctl().  The appropriate states are set along the way to indicate progress. Once the namespace is removed from the “OS view”, then the format is processed like any other command (via ProcessIo). The callback
 is setup to call NVMeIoctlFormatNVMCAllback() and the variable “FormatNvmInfo->AddNamespaceNeeded” is set to TRUE so that on the completion side we remember to have the OS re-enumerate after we are done.  Once the NVM format completes, the callback is invoked
 in the completion DPC. Then on the completion side we issue Identify Controller and Identify Namespace so that our cached driver data for the namespace(s) formatted are up to date. In the last state, after getting the Identify Namespace struct, we’ll call
 *<b>hot add</b>* which is described below. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Note that at no point do we “wait” for any I/O to finish. Format is a dangerous command… especially via pass through IOCTL. We talked about this quite a bit in the beginning of developing this
 driver.  But essentially, if a format comes down for a namespace, any I/O outstanding to the controller (there won’t be anything that needs to be sent… I/O will either be at the device or on the CQ) will simply complete via normal operation or be aborted at
 the controller… but Storport won’t care because the SCSI target was already removed upon initially receiving the format command. Any I/O in the CQ will be completed and handled by Storport correctly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Ray<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Judy Brock-SSI [mailto:judy.brock@ssi.samsung.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 18, 2013 4:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robles, Raymond C; WONMOON CHEON; ???; nvmewin@lists.openfabrics.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: RE: Handling pending commands when processing Format [changing from NVMe WG dist. list to OFA NVMe Windows Driver dist. list]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Ray,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">    [Ray wrote] Let me know if this answers your question.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">I don’t think it does. What I wrote below I think was pretty much the same as what you wrote - or at least that was my intention
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">However, the piece I couldn’t explain (cause I haven’t looked into it) is how the driver holds off the beginning of the actual format NVM operation till whatever old IOs that were already in
 progress for the namespace(s) before the format op request was received are completed back to the caller, aborted, or whatever - so there are no old live requests hanging around, still in the driver , before the format op begins.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">In other words, does the driver hold off starting the format cmd till the outstanding IOs are completed? Or do we perhaps just drop them on the floor and let the OS figure out that those requests
 are permanently lost/gone due to the LUNs having disappeared (my guess is, the latter is what we do)? Or do we try to abort them all? And so on.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">So again, we do understand how to get the OS to avoid sending new I/O requests to stale namespaces but how exactly are the old I/O reqs (those existing at the time the format request comes in
 ) handled?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">At least that is my current question
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Judy</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Robles, Raymond C [</span><a href="mailto:raymond.c.robles@intel.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">mailto:raymond.c.robles@intel.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 18, 2013 2:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Judy Brock-SSI; WONMOON CHEON; ???; </span><a href="mailto:nvmewin@lists.openfabrics.org"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">nvmewin@lists.openfabrics.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: RE: Handling pending commands when processing Format [changing from NVMe WG dist. list to OFA NVMe Windows Driver dist. list]</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hello Judy/Wonmoon,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Sorry for the late response. The “hot remove” state is just a state that we enter when the driver receives a Format command.  Basically, this state will remove the namespace(s) from the topology
 by calling StorPortNotification() with BusChangeDetected.  This will remove the “SCSI target/disk” associated with each namespace form the OS (because Storport will re-enumerate the controller and the driver will not expose the namespaces about to be formatted)
 so that the format can occur on the relevant namespaces.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">By signaling Windows that the namespaces have been “removed”, all I/O will be stopped by the OS.  Then the format can complete.  Once the format is complete, we perform the opposite action to
 “hot add” the namespace back into the topology by calling StorPortNotification() with BusChangeDetected… only this time, we will surface the namespace(s) again when Storport re-enumerates.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Not queues are deleted in this state, no memory is de-allocated, and nothing else changes about the namespace.  This is simply the first step (in a 3 step sequence) when formatting a namespace
 as we cannot format a namespace while the OS is aware of its presence and could be potentially sending I/O to a stale namespace config (i.e. changing LBA/sector size).</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Let me know if this answers your question.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Ray</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Judy Brock-SSI [</span><a href="mailto:judy.brock@ssi.samsung.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">mailto:judy.brock@ssi.samsung.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 17, 2013 6:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> WONMOON CHEON; </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Gulim","sans-serif"">강미경</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">;
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: RE: Handling pending commands when processing Format</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">  >>Would you elaborate more about  the "hot-remove" state? In this state, do you mean that all the IO SQ/CQs are deleted? Or, waiting for completions of all the outstanding
 IOs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The IO SQ/CQs are definitely NOT deleted. I would need to look more closely through the driver code to see how IOs previously sent to the namespaces which are
 marked as OFFLINE are handled/finished/quiesced. </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There are other folks on this thread who no doubt have more history/intimate knowledge of this driver than I do who may answer that question more quickly than
 I can…also, perhaps this discussion should probably be moved to the OFA driver forum since it has turned into a driver-specific thread at this point.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What do folks think?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Judy</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 17, 2013 1:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Judy Brock-SSI; </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Gulim","sans-serif"">강미경</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: RE: Handling pending commands when processing Format</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hi Judy,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Would you elaborate more about  the "hot-remove" state? In this state, do you mean that all the IO SQ/CQs are deleted? Or, waiting for completions of all the outstanding
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Sender</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> : Judy Brock-SSI<</span><a href="mailto:judy.brock@ssi.samsung.com"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">judy.brock@ssi.samsung.com</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Date</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> : 2013-04-17 16:39 (GMT+09:00)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Title</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> : RE: Handling pending commands when processing Format</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I should clarify that it is not the Windows operating system – but rather the Windows OFA  NVMe driver -  that, from what I can see,  does a “hot-remove” of
 all namespace(s) associated with a device before allowing a format operation to begin;  “hot remove” is just the name for an internal state in the driver format nvm state machine.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Before beginning the actual format op, the driver internally marks all  namespaces associated with the format operation “offline”. It then notifies the OS that
 there has been a “bus change” event (via an OS-specific API).</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This in turn will cause the OS to rescan (re-enumerate) the “bus” (the pseudo SCSI bus, that is  –  we expose NVM namespaces as SCSI luns).</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Since all the pertinent namespaces have been marked offline internally, the bus rescan won’t detect any valid SCSI luns (because the driver will not report
 any).</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hence from the OS point of view, any SCSI lun(s) previously mapped to the namespace(s) to be formatted will have disappeared/will be unaddressable while the
 format operation is in progress.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Judy</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Judy Brock-SSI
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'mkkang.kang@samsung.com'; </span><a href="mailto:technical@nvmexpress.org"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">technical@nvmexpress.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Handling pending commands when processing Format</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mikyeong,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I haven’t looked at the Linux driver but I know that Windows hot-removes all namespace(s) associated with a device before allowing a format operation to begin.
 And a namespace can’t be removed while there is IO outstanding to it so that answers your question regarding IOs being completed before format begins. It also answers the question about requests being sent to a namespace while format is in progress – can’t
 happen.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Judy</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Gulim","sans-serif"">강미경</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> [</span><a href="mailto:mkkang.kang@samsung.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">mailto:mkkang.kang@samsung.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href="mailto:technical@nvmexpress.org"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">technical@nvmexpress.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Handling pending commands when processing Format</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Format NVM command may change the Namespace repository, and it will be executed out of order like any other commands. Therefore, Format NVM command may affect other commands
 that are pending execution in the device, if any. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">1) How does an OFA/linux driver handle 'Format NVM command'? Does a host make sure that all commands for a particular NSID are completed before sending 'Format NVM command'?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">2) If a host driver does not behave like 1) above, how can a device handle other pending commands which were previously submitted in a SQ? It seems like we need an additional
 status code. e.g. Abort due to Namespace Format<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">3) Let's suppose that 'Format NVM command' is in progress. If the host driver sends subsequent commands to the namespace being formatted, should the device reply directly
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">[1.0e spec] If the device does not reply directly and the format operation takes long time, then, I/O command will timeout and the host may send the reset. But if commands
 are responded with 'Namespace Not Ready', host may not issue the reset. Therefore, direct reply seems to be needed.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">[1.1 spec. ECN 001] There is Format progress indicator. The host driver can check format progress any time, therefore, there is no concern about reset during format command.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">SAMSUNG ELECTRONICS, Co., Ltd..</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><a href="mailto:mkkang.kang@samsung.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">mkkang.kang@samsung.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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