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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Microsoft's position on this seems odd
      to me.  I don't think it's good for NVMe or Microsoft.  If they're
      not providing a pass through interface, then people are either
      going to<br>
      <br>
      1.  Ship their own drivers so they can do things like
      create/delete/modify namespaces<br>
      2.  Need to ship configuration utility on a separate linux live CD
      to do those types of things.<br>
      <br>
      I too understand their position, but the solution they've
      delivered is going to result in a bad user experience.<br>
      <br>
      On 11/8/2013 6:20 AM, Robert Randall (rrandall) wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier
            New";color:#1F497D">Hi Ray,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier
            New";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier
            New";color:#1F497D">Well stated.  However, I confess
            that I find it odd that Microsoft would not consider
            providing a WMI interface.  I believe that a WMI interface
            would satisfy their security concerns.  Has this been
            discussed with Microsoft?  I would be happy to provide a
            simple definition of a WMI class which would provide methods
            for the desired interaction with a NVMe controller /
            adapter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier
            New";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier
            New";color:#1F497D">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier
            New";color:#1F497D">Robert.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                Robles, Raymond C [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:raymond.c.robles@intel.com">mailto:raymond.c.robles@intel.com</a>]
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 07, 2013 3:29 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Robert Randall (rrandall); <a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:nvmewin@lists.openfabrics.org">
                  nvmewin@lists.openfabrics.org</a><br>
                <b>Cc:</b> Mayes, Barrett N<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> RE: [nvmewin] NVMe in-box driver in
                Win8.1/Server 2012 R2 - some challenges<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman","serif";color:#44546A">Hi Robert,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman","serif";color:#44546A"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman","serif";color:#44546A">Microsoft has
            been very adamant about not supporting pass through IOCTLs
            (via IOCTL_SCSI_MINIPORT) and the potential security threat
            this mechanism poses. There is a potential for them to
            listen to suggestions for workarounds, or alternatives, to
            pass through IOCTLs. However, they have been very clear
            about not supporting pass through IOCTLs.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman","serif";color:#44546A">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
            Roman","serif";color:#44546A">Ray<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                nvmewin-bounces@lists.openfabrics.org</a> [<a
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              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Randall (rrandall)<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 07, 2013 2:18 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:nvmewin@lists.openfabrics.org">nvmewin@lists.openfabrics.org</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> [nvmewin] NVMe in-box driver in
              Win8.1/Server 2012 R2 - some challenges<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Hello
            all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">We
            have been testing the NVMe in-box driver included in Windows
            8.1 and Server 2012 R2.  It does not appear to have any
            IOCTL support for ADMIN commands.  This is very sad.  This
            renders the in-box driver useless for uses cases where VU
            ADMIN commands are used to, for example, manage NVM Express
            Namespaces. 
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Have
            others had a similar experience with the in-box driver? 
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Microsoft
            appears willing to listen to requests to add capabilities to
            the in-box driver.  This represents an opportunity for all
            of us participating in the NVM Express ecosystem to express
            our requirements to Microsoft with one voice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">If
            you believe that the in-box driver is lacking critical
            features (as I do) I would be happy to coordinate a unified
            response to the Microsoft program manager responsible for
            the in-box device driver.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Perhaps
            this would be a useful topic for the next technical
            conference call?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Best
            regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Robert<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida
            Console"">Robert Randall<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida
            Console"">mobile: 612.770.9612<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Lucida
            Console""><a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:rrandall@micron.com">rrandall@micron.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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