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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">True, I just mentioned this because there was a question earlier re how the practices and procedures of a WG come into existence. The Bylaws answer by saying
the WG develops and proposes them to the Board for approval.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In practice, it never happens, but this is the “official” answer to the question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Woodruff, Robert J
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:11 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Grun; Coulter, Susan K; Ryan, Jim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org; Rimmer, Todd; Wood, Donald E; Jeff Becker; Rupert Dance (rsdance@soft-forge.com); Berry, Frank; Hefty, Sean; Stachura, Tom L; Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (Brad.Benton@amd.com); Mani Subramaniyan; Tom Reu; Sur, Sayantan;
Avneesh Pant; Rebecca Moran (rebecca@openfabrics.org); Goldiez, Brian; Christoph Lameter; tzahio@mellanox.com; linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil; Marcin Ocwieja; Jeff Squyres (jsquyres); Dave; David Goodell (dgoodell); Cesare Cantu (cantuc); Marcin Ocwieja<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: OFA OFWG meeting minutes and responses to AR re organizational recommendations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">One other quick point – the bylaws require that whatever processes we adopt, whether we do it now as a group, or wait until we have co-chairs, has
to be approved by the Board.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hmm, just an FYI, the bylaws may say that, but up till now, I don’t know of any working group in OFA that has actually done this….<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Paul Grun [<a href="mailto:grun@cray.com">mailto:grun@cray.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Coulter, Susan K; Ryan, Jim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Woodruff, Robert J; <a href="mailto:openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org">
openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org</a>; Rimmer, Todd; Wood, Donald E; Jeff Becker; Rupert Dance (<a href="mailto:rsdance@soft-forge.com">rsdance@soft-forge.com</a>); Berry, Frank; Hefty, Sean; Stachura, Tom L; Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (<a href="mailto:Brad.Benton@amd.com">Brad.Benton@amd.com</a>);
Mani Subramaniyan; Tom Reu; Sur, Sayantan; Avneesh Pant; Rebecca Moran (<a href="mailto:rebecca@openfabrics.org">rebecca@openfabrics.org</a>); Goldiez, Brian; Christoph Lameter;
<a href="mailto:tzahio@mellanox.com">tzahio@mellanox.com</a>; <a href="mailto:linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil">
linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil</a>; Marcin Ocwieja; Jeff Squyres (jsquyres); Dave; David Goodell (dgoodell); Cesare Cantu (cantuc); Marcin Ocwieja<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: OFA OFWG meeting minutes and responses to AR re organizational recommendations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I, too, vote in favor of what Jim is proposing. Given the email discussion of the past couple of days, could others please weigh in?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As for the time spent, I can only say that minutes spent now are very likely to save hours if not months later on. The time to do this is now, before we need
it, rather than try to figure something out on the fly. Especially since we have an existing model that has already been battle-hardened.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">One other quick point – the bylaws require that whatever processes we adopt, whether we do it now as a group, or wait until we have co-chairs, has to be approved
by the Board.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Coulter, Susan K [<a href="mailto:skc@lanl.gov">mailto:skc@lanl.gov</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 11, 2013 11:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ryan, Jim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Woodruff, Robert J; <a href="mailto:openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org">
openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org</a>; Coulter, Susan K; Rimmer, Todd; Wood, Donald E; Jeff Becker; Rupert Dance (<a href="mailto:rsdance@soft-forge.com">rsdance@soft-forge.com</a>); Berry, Frank; Hefty, Sean; Stachura, Tom L; Paul Grun; Bill Boas; Benton,
Brad (<a href="mailto:Brad.Benton@amd.com">Brad.Benton@amd.com</a>); Mani Subramaniyan; Tom Reu; Sur, Sayantan; Avneesh Pant; Rebecca Moran (<a href="mailto:rebecca@openfabrics.org">rebecca@openfabrics.org</a>); Goldiez, Brian; Christoph Lameter;
<a href="mailto:tzahio@mellanox.com">tzahio@mellanox.com</a>; <a href="mailto:linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil">
linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil</a>; Marcin Ocwieja; Jeff Squyres (jsquyres); Dave; David Goodell (dgoodell); Cesare Cantu (cantuc); Marcin Ocwieja<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: OFA OFWG meeting minutes and responses to AR re organizational recommendations</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This seems acceptable to me. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While I do not have as much experience with these groups as many of you do, it seems we are spending an inordinate amount of time discussing these details. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">After the Board selects the official chairs, they have the power to change any of the rules/procedures we have tentatively approved.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I cannot image we will go off the deep end between now and the selection of the official chairs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My vote is to move forward with the guidelines proposed by Jim.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 11, 2013, at 11:49 AM, "Ryan, Jim" <<a href="mailto:jim.ryan@intel.com">jim.ryan@intel.com</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I don’t think so. I believe I’m acting on the assignment I was given yesterday, I’m just trying to do it in as straightforward a fashion as possible.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This really isn’t difficult to do, and debates like yesterday, while important, are not especially productive, IMO</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Woodruff,
Robert J<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Ryan, Jim; '<a href="mailto:openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org">openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org</a>'; 'Coulter, Susan K'; Rimmer, Todd; Wood, Donald E; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (<a href="mailto:rsdance@soft-forge.com">rsdance@soft-forge.com</a>);
Berry, Frank; Hefty, Sean; Stachura, Tom L; <a href="mailto:grun@cray.com">grun@cray.com</a>; Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (<a href="mailto:Brad.Benton@amd.com">Brad.Benton@amd.com</a>); 'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu'; Sur, Sayantan; 'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran
(<a href="mailto:rebecca@openfabrics.org">rebecca@openfabrics.org</a>); 'Goldiez, Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; '<a href="mailto:tzahio@mellanox.com">tzahio@mellanox.com</a>'; '<a href="mailto:linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil">linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil</a>'; 'Marcin Ocwieja';
'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)'; 'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; '<a href="mailto:openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org">openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org</a>'; 'Coulter, Susan K'; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (<a href="mailto:rsdance@soft-forge.com">rsdance@soft-forge.com</a>);
<a href="mailto:grun@cray.com">grun@cray.com</a>; Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (<a href="mailto:Brad.Benton@amd.com">Brad.Benton@amd.com</a>); 'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu'; 'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (<a href="mailto:rebecca@openfabrics.org">rebecca@openfabrics.org</a>);
'Goldiez, Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; '<a href="mailto:tzahio@mellanox.com">tzahio@mellanox.com</a>'; '<a href="mailto:linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil">linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil</a>'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)';
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings">Ø</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt"> <span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I’m
taking a relatively aggressive position by suggesting practices and procedures from the Guidelines, primarily. This is instead of raising an issue and saying, in effect, “what do you think?” Instead, I’m offering a position and asking you to support it or
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Are we getting a little ahead of ourselves here.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Should these items wait to be decided until after the co-chairs are actually named ? I think it should be left<br>
up to the co-chairs to propose the rules by which the working group will follow. Perhaps we can start the discussions now,<br>
but I would think that it would ultimately be up to the co-chairs to suggest and approve formal adoption of the working groups<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Ryan,
Jim<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>'<a href="mailto:openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org">openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org</a>'; 'Coulter, Susan K'; Rimmer, Todd; Woodruff, Robert J; Wood, Donald E; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (<a href="mailto:rsdance@soft-forge.com"><span style="color:purple">rsdance@soft-forge.com</span></a>);
Berry, Frank; Hefty, Sean; Stachura, Tom L;<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:grun@cray.com"><span style="color:purple">grun@cray.com</span></a>; Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (<a href="mailto:Brad.Benton@amd.com"><span style="color:purple">Brad.Benton@amd.com</span></a>);
'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu'; Sur, Sayantan; 'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (<a href="mailto:rebecca@openfabrics.org"><span style="color:purple">rebecca@openfabrics.org</span></a>); 'Goldiez, Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; '<a href="mailto:tzahio@mellanox.com">tzahio@mellanox.com</a>';
'<a href="mailto:linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil">linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil</a>'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)'; 'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; '<a href="mailto:openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org">openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org</a>';
'Coulter, Susan K'; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (<a href="mailto:rsdance@soft-forge.com"><span style="color:purple">rsdance@soft-forge.com</span></a>);<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:grun@cray.com"><span style="color:purple">grun@cray.com</span></a>;
Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (<a href="mailto:Brad.Benton@amd.com"><span style="color:purple">Brad.Benton@amd.com</span></a>); 'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu'; 'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (<a href="mailto:rebecca@openfabrics.org"><span style="color:purple">rebecca@openfabrics.org</span></a>);
'Goldiez, Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; '<a href="mailto:tzahio@mellanox.com">tzahio@mellanox.com</a>'; '<a href="mailto:linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil">linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil</a>'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)';
'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>OFA OFWG meeting minutes and responses to AR re organizational recommendations</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I’m taking a relatively aggressive position by suggesting practices and procedures from the Guidelines, primarily. This is instead of raising an issue and saying, in effect,
“what do you think?” Instead, I’m offering a position and asking you to support it or argue with it</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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HPC-3 Network/Infrastructure<br>
505-667-8425<br>
Increase the Peace...<br>
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind<br>
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