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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Again, I’m enclosing Woody’s useful comment below to introduce a new notion, possibly the last of the admin procedures we’ll need for the new WG. I’d like to start this thread and ask for your comments in lieu
of the next meeting we have scheduled. I’m on vacation and can easily do email, but it’s much more difficult to host meetings on the road.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I’m <a name="_MailEndCompose">following up, sort of broadly, on what’s meant by the notion of the “work product” of the WG. Again, as I understand it, we’re moving towards agreement that there is code that the
WG would deal with in the normal open process, and the “other” work products, that which isn’t code. I think we’re agreeing on what the approval vote is required for “not code”, but we’re not completely clear on what “not code” is.<o:p></o:p></a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The Bylaws deal with code, the OFED stack, and “not code” as described in the Articles I extracted and attached for your info. Please note the highlighted passages that deal with “Documents” in the language of
the Bylaws. Please also note the IP requirements for Documents are specified<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">My proposal is simply that the WG will identify what are considered “Documents” as the work products of the WG. The identification of the Documents would be by simple majority, and the approval would be by a
two-thirds majority.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Please comment on this and let me know if you agree this is essentially the last known admin detail we need to resolve for the WG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">TIA and regards, Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Woodruff, Robert J <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Woodruff, Robert J; Paul Grun; Ryan, Jim; 'openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org'; 'Coulter, Susan K'; Rimmer, Todd; Wood, Donald E; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (rsdance@soft-forge.com); Berry, Frank; Hefty, Sean; Stachura, Tom L; Bill Boas; Benton,
Brad (Brad.Benton@amd.com); 'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu'; Sur, Sayantan; 'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (rebecca@openfabrics.org); 'Goldiez, Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; 'tzahio@mellanox.com'; 'linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)';
'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)'; 'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org'; 'Coulter, Susan K'; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (rsdance@soft-forge.com); Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (Brad.Benton@amd.com); 'Mani Subramaniyan';
'Tom Reu'; 'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (rebecca@openfabrics.org); 'Goldiez, Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; 'tzahio@mellanox.com'; 'linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)'; 'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: OFA OFWG meeting minutes and responses to AR re organizational recommendations<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">AR: determine participation requirements<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]>Bylaws again are mute on this for WGs. For the Board the expectation for participation is at least 75% of meetings and not to miss 3 consecutive meetings<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]>From the Guidelines: this was covered in part by the notion “membership standing” which was tied to voting rights. Voting rights are maintained by attending at least two of the preceding four meetings. Voting rights can be regained
by attaining 3 meetings in a row.<br>
<br>
A quorum is attained by the participation of 2/3 of the member companies in good standing<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I would be OK with the same requirements that the board uses for participation and remaining in good standing, I,e., 75% participation and not<br>
missing 3 consecutive meetings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Woodruff, Robert J
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 12, 2013 3:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Grun; Ryan, Jim; 'openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org'; 'Coulter, Susan K'; Rimmer, Todd; Wood, Donald E; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (</span><a href="mailto:rsdance@soft-forge.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">rsdance@soft-forge.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">);
Berry, Frank; Hefty, Sean; Stachura, Tom L; Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (</span><a href="mailto:Brad.Benton@amd.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Brad.Benton@amd.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">);
'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu'; Sur, Sayantan; 'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (</span><a href="mailto:rebecca@openfabrics.org"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">rebecca@openfabrics.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">);
'Goldiez, Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; 'tzahio@mellanox.com'; 'linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)'; 'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org'; 'Coulter,
Susan K'; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (</span><a href="mailto:rsdance@soft-forge.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">rsdance@soft-forge.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">); Bill
Boas; Benton, Brad (</span><a href="mailto:Brad.Benton@amd.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Brad.Benton@amd.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">); 'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu';
'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (</span><a href="mailto:rebecca@openfabrics.org"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">rebecca@openfabrics.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">); 'Goldiez,
Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; 'tzahio@mellanox.com'; 'linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)'; 'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Woodruff, Robert J<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: OFA OFWG meeting minutes and responses to AR re organizational recommendations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">AR: determine required voting majority levels<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]>Bylaws again are mute on this for WGs. For the Board a 2/3 majority is required for key decisions such as approving releases of the OFED stack, chartering a WG, and so on. Other decisions are simple majority, and nothing requires
more than 2/3<o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]>From the Guidelines: 2/3 a majority is required for the recommendation of documents (that was the work product for the TWG) to the SC<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So what are we proposing for our voting rules (2/3 majority to approve something or a simple majority ?) and on exactly which things will require a vote and which things can just be handled using the typical
open source development process for accepting/rejecting patches based on technical merit ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">We should probably define that up front.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">My suggestion would be that for approval of releases of code, that the WG should have at least 2/3 majority approval.<br>
Also, if there is accompanying documentation to support the code (architecture specs that define semantics, etc.) that a 2/3 vote should be required.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I would suggest not requiring votes for the day to day open source development of the intermediate code drops(before a major release),
<br>
i.e., submitting and integrating patches, fixing bugs, adding incremental improvements, etc. For that work, just use the open source<br>
development model that we use today as we do for all the other components that OFA produces.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Anyone else have an opinion on this point ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Woody<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Paul Grun [</span><a href="mailto:grun@cray.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">mailto:grun@cray.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Woodruff, Robert J; Ryan, Jim; 'openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org'; 'Coulter, Susan K'; Rimmer, Todd; Wood, Donald E; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (</span><a href="mailto:rsdance@soft-forge.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">rsdance@soft-forge.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">);
Berry, Frank; Hefty, Sean; Stachura, Tom L; Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (</span><a href="mailto:Brad.Benton@amd.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Brad.Benton@amd.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">);
'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu'; Sur, Sayantan; 'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (</span><a href="mailto:rebecca@openfabrics.org"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">rebecca@openfabrics.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">);
'Goldiez, Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; 'tzahio@mellanox.com'; 'linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)'; 'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'openframeworkwg@lists.openfabrics.org'; 'Coulter,
Susan K'; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (</span><a href="mailto:rsdance@soft-forge.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">rsdance@soft-forge.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">); Bill
Boas; Benton, Brad (</span><a href="mailto:Brad.Benton@amd.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Brad.Benton@amd.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">); 'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu';
'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (</span><a href="mailto:rebecca@openfabrics.org"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">rebecca@openfabrics.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">); 'Goldiez,
Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; 'tzahio@mellanox.com'; 'linden@cmf.nrl.navy.mil'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)'; 'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: OFA OFWG meeting minutes and responses to AR re organizational recommendations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Perfectly stated. Having mechanisms to help the working group operate smoothly should not be confused with a rigid, rigorous design process (which nobody wants). They are meant to complement normal open source
methods of developing code.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">-Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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