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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As I mentioned, the slide is being developed. I will make sure we address your points. The point is that OFI is intended to be at a higher level of abstraction
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Grun; Bernard Metzler<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ofiwg@lists.openfabrics.org; OFA Marketing Working Group (mwg@lists.openfabrics.org)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [ofiwg] Draft proposal for the SC15 libfabric BoF<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Paul this slide needs to be modified as well. Verbs supports both IB and Eth and essentially all RDMA fabrics. The claim that verbs is for IB only and OFI is for all is not the right message IMO. Not from OFA. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards, <o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Paul Grun <<a href="mailto:grun@cray.com">grun@cray.com</a>> <br>
Date: 11/08/2015 18:53 (GMT+02:00) <br>
To: Bernard Metzler <<a href="mailto:BMT@zurich.ibm.com">BMT@zurich.ibm.com</a>>,Gilad Shainer <<a href="mailto:Shainer@Mellanox.com">Shainer@Mellanox.com</a>>
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Cc: <a href="mailto:ofiwg@lists.openfabrics.org,%22OFA">ofiwg@lists.openfabrics.org,"OFA</a> Marketing Working Group (<a href="mailto:mwg@lists.openfabrics.org">mwg@lists.openfabrics.org</a>)" <<a href="mailto:mwg@lists.openfabrics.org">mwg@lists.openfabrics.org</a>>
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Subject: RE: [ofiwg] Draft proposal for the SC15 libfabric BoF <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I, too, agree. The comments about verbs in the BoF proposal are based on this slide, currently being developed by DS/DA:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">OFI WG came to a similar set of conclusions. I strongly support the work going on in OFV WG. OFV WG is not mentioned in the BoF proposal at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Bernard Metzler [<a href="mailto:BMT@zurich.ibm.com">mailto:BMT@zurich.ibm.com</a>]
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Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 8:41 AM<br>
To: Gilad Shainer<br>
Cc: Paul Grun; <a href="mailto:ofiwg@lists.openfabrics.org">ofiwg@lists.openfabrics.org</a>; OFA Marketing Working Group (<a href="mailto:mwg@lists.openfabrics.org">mwg@lists.openfabrics.org</a>)<br>
Subject: Re: [ofiwg] Draft proposal for the SC15 libfabric BoF<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Gilad, I agree.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">We as an alliance comprising multiple working groups should never promote public bashing among those groups. This should not preclude constructive discussion though.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Bernard.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: Gilad Shainer <<a href="mailto:Shainer@Mellanox.com">Shainer@Mellanox.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To: Paul Grun <<a href="mailto:grun@cray.com">grun@cray.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:ofiwg@lists.openfabrics.org">ofiwg@lists.openfabrics.org</a>"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Date: 08/10/2015 05:24 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks for sending Paul.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I am not sure I understand why you suggest that the verbs API is not something that fit the needs of applications. The API was created with the RDMA network architecture
to meet the needs of applications and it is proven in many systems installations, and it supports both InfiniBand and Ethernet. OFI is yet to be proved on a single system.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">As long as OFA supports the development of OFI and OFV, I think that we need to be careful not to have negative view on neither of them. If you want to focus on OFI that
is fine, but there is no need to say it is the better option. The opposite can also be said.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:mwg-bounces@lists.openfabrics.org">mailto:mwg-bounces@lists.openfabrics.org</a>] On Behalf Of Paul Grun<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 12:22 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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