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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hi Sean,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I’m sorry to say I disagree.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Customers and vendors can use the
InfiniBand stack provided by WinOF to create their own applications/protocols
and they do not oblige to contribute back the code.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This is the case with WinOF and also in
Linux.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Does Intel-MPI, HP-MPI and MS-MPI are open
src projects ? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We, as community, helping commercial MPI
vendors to have better products; We look at them as very important and our end
user customers are looking for in the HPC market.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>If we want that WinOF stack will be
adopted also in other markets rather then traditional HPC then we must learn
their needs and try to fill the gaps.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We in Voltaire have a lot of experience in
Windows stack in the enterprise market (financial institutes and others) and we
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>know</span></b> that feature like this is a
mandatory for them in order to move to Windows or even IB (we already have the
same features in the Linux stack).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>We encourage our customer to write and
implement applications over verbs and inputs from them can affect our stack
implementation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>According your “philosophy”
you will not accept any requirement to Win-verbs from customers that are not
contributing the application code back to open src….<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree that we need to see how to add new
features without having negative effect (or minimal as possible) on other features
& development but from here to go to the “</span></font><font
color=blue><span style='color:blue'>reject all patches that will not support
WinOF released, open-source driver, <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>library,
or application</span></b></span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>” approach the gap
is huge.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Yiftah<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>P.S. as you know we are adding proprietary
vendors NIC extensions even that are not in the spec when they are not effecting
other vendors….and if they are we are looking how to overcome the issues,
this is done for Linux and also for Windows (look for SRQ, 4kMTU….).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
ofw-bounces@lists.openfabrics.org [mailto:ofw-bounces@lists.openfabrics.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Sean Hefty<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, July 01, 2008 19:27<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Slava Strebkov; Fab Tillier; ofw@lists.openfabrics.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [ofw] RE:
[owf][patch] user multicast offload support</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Is there anything in the WinOF SVN that will use this capability?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText style='text-indent:.5in'><b><i><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold;font-style:
italic'>There is nothing in SVN and probably will not be.<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></b></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>WinOF should reject all patches that will not
support WinOF released, open-source driver, library, or application.
There’s nothing that prevents a vendor from managing their own
patches over what’s in SVN, but since the patches do not benefit the
larger open-source community, the on-going maintenance, testing, and debug of
such code changes belong with the vendor.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 color=blue face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>- Sean</span></font><font color=blue
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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