[Openframeworkwg] OFA OFWG meeting minutes and responses to AR re organizational recommendations

Thu Sep 12 15:11:28 PDT 2013

AR: determine required voting majority levels

·        Bylaws again are mute on this for WGs. For the Board a 2/3 majority is required for key decisions such as approving releases of the OFED stack, chartering a WG, and so on. Other decisions are simple majority, and nothing requires more than 2/3

·        From the Guidelines: 2/3 a majority is required for the recommendation of documents (that was the work product for the TWG) to the SC

So what are we proposing for our voting rules (2/3 majority to approve something or a simple majority ?) and on exactly which things will require a vote and which things can just be handled using the typical open source development process for accepting/rejecting patches based on technical merit ?
We should probably define that up front.

My suggestion would be that for approval of releases of code, that the WG should have at least 2/3 majority approval.
Also, if there is accompanying documentation to support the code (architecture specs that define semantics, etc.) that a 2/3 vote should be required.
I would suggest not requiring votes for the day to day open source development of the intermediate code drops(before a major release),
i.e., submitting and integrating patches, fixing bugs, adding incremental improvements, etc.  For that work, just use the open source
development model that we use today as we do for all the other components that OFA produces.

Anyone else have an opinion on this point ?

Woody

From: Paul Grun [mailto:grun at cray.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:58 AM
To: Woodruff, Robert J; Ryan, Jim; 'openframeworkwg at lists.openfabrics.org'; 'Coulter, Susan K'; Rimmer, Todd; Wood, Donald E; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (rsdance at soft-forge.com); Berry, Frank; Hefty, Sean; Stachura, Tom L; Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (Brad.Benton at amd.com); 'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu'; Sur, Sayantan; 'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (rebecca at openfabrics.org); 'Goldiez, Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; 'tzahio at mellanox.com'; 'linden at cmf.nrl.navy.mil'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)'; 'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'openframeworkwg at lists.openfabrics.org'; 'Coulter, Susan K'; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (rsdance at soft-forge.com); Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (Brad.Benton at amd.com); 'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu'; 'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (rebecca at openfabrics.org); 'Goldiez, Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; 'tzahio at mellanox.com'; 'linden at cmf.nrl.navy.mil'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)'; 'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'
Subject: RE: OFA OFWG meeting minutes and responses to AR re organizational recommendations

Perfectly stated.  Having mechanisms to help the working group operate smoothly should not be confused with a rigid, rigorous design process (which nobody wants).  They are meant to complement normal open source methods of developing code.
-Paul

From: Woodruff, Robert J [mailto:robert.j.woodruff at intel.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 8:01 AM
To: Paul Grun; Ryan, Jim; 'openframeworkwg at lists.openfabrics.org'; 'Coulter, Susan K'; Rimmer, Todd; Wood, Donald E; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (rsdance at soft-forge.com<mailto:rsdance at soft-forge.com>); Berry, Frank; Hefty, Sean; Stachura, Tom L; Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (Brad.Benton at amd.com<mailto:Brad.Benton at amd.com>); 'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu'; Sur, Sayantan; 'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (rebecca at openfabrics.org<mailto:rebecca at openfabrics.org>); 'Goldiez, Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; 'tzahio at mellanox.com'; 'linden at cmf.nrl.navy.mil'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)'; 'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'openframeworkwg at lists.openfabrics.org'; 'Coulter, Susan K'; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (rsdance at soft-forge.com<mailto:rsdance at soft-forge.com>); Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (Brad.Benton at amd.com<mailto:Brad.Benton at amd.com>); 'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu'; 'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (rebecca at openfabrics.org<mailto:rebecca at openfabrics.org>); 'Goldiez, Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; 'tzahio at mellanox.com'; 'linden at cmf.nrl.navy.mil'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)'; 'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'
Subject: RE: OFA OFWG meeting minutes and responses to AR re organizational recommendations

Ø  Woody - I don't completely disagree, but there is a bit of a chicken and egg problem w.r.t. creating a set of working group processes and procedures.  How do the chairs go about suggesting and approving formal adoption of the working group processes and procedures?   There is also a requirement in the bylaws that working group policies and procedures by approved or ratified by the Board.

Ok, I suppose that is fair. Let's continue the discussion of agreeing on the specifics of the proposed processes and voting rules that Jim sent through email.  We should also discuss the processes for submitting code (as I assume in the end that there will be some code that is at least one of the products of the WG), and for that, I would suggest we stick with the open source process that we already use for developing all the rest of the OFA SW components. For things like high level requirements and specific proposals put forth, we may need to vote to get agreement on proceeding forward with a specific proposal or idea.

Sound OK ?

Woody

From: Paul Grun [mailto:grun at cray.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:21 PM
To: Woodruff, Robert J; Ryan, Jim; 'openframeworkwg at lists.openfabrics.org'; 'Coulter, Susan K'; Rimmer, Todd; Wood, Donald E; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (rsdance at soft-forge.com<mailto:rsdance at soft-forge.com>); Berry, Frank; Hefty, Sean; Stachura, Tom L; Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (Brad.Benton at amd.com<mailto:Brad.Benton at amd.com>); 'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu'; Sur, Sayantan; 'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (rebecca at openfabrics.org<mailto:rebecca at openfabrics.org>); 'Goldiez, Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; 'tzahio at mellanox.com'; 'linden at cmf.nrl.navy.mil'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)'; 'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'openframeworkwg at lists.openfabrics.org'; 'Coulter, Susan K'; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (rsdance at soft-forge.com<mailto:rsdance at soft-forge.com>); Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (Brad.Benton at amd.com<mailto:Brad.Benton at amd.com>); 'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu'; 'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (rebecca at openfabrics.org<mailto:rebecca at openfabrics.org>); 'Goldiez, Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; 'tzahio at mellanox.com'; 'linden at cmf.nrl.navy.mil'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)'; 'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'
Subject: RE: OFA OFWG meeting minutes and responses to AR re organizational recommendations

Woody - I don't completely disagree, but there is a bit of a chicken and egg problem w.r.t. creating a set of working group processes and procedures.  How do the chairs go about suggesting and approving formal adoption of the working group processes and procedures?   There is also a requirement in the bylaws that working group policies and procedures by approved or ratified by the Board.

Keep in mind that we do have an official chair now since one could argue that Jim is our board-approved chair until the board changes that.  So it seems like a good idea to begin the discussion of governing documents now.

Your 2 cents, plus mine = 4 cents.  At this rate, we'll all be rich very soon.

From: Woodruff, Robert J [mailto:robert.j.woodruff at intel.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 10:44 AM
To: Ryan, Jim; 'openframeworkwg at lists.openfabrics.org'; 'Coulter, Susan K'; Rimmer, Todd; Wood, Donald E; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (rsdance at soft-forge.com<mailto:rsdance at soft-forge.com>); Berry, Frank; Hefty, Sean; Stachura, Tom L; Paul Grun; Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (Brad.Benton at amd.com<mailto:Brad.Benton at amd.com>); 'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu'; Sur, Sayantan; 'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (rebecca at openfabrics.org<mailto:rebecca at openfabrics.org>); 'Goldiez, Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; 'tzahio at mellanox.com'; 'linden at cmf.nrl.navy.mil'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)'; 'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'openframeworkwg at lists.openfabrics.org'; 'Coulter, Susan K'; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (rsdance at soft-forge.com<mailto:rsdance at soft-forge.com>); Paul Grun; Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (Brad.Benton at amd.com<mailto:Brad.Benton at amd.com>); 'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu'; 'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (rebecca at openfabrics.org<mailto:rebecca at openfabrics.org>); 'Goldiez, Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; 'tzahio at mellanox.com'; 'linden at cmf.nrl.navy.mil'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)'; 'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'
Subject: RE: OFA OFWG meeting minutes and responses to AR re organizational recommendations

Ø  I'm taking a relatively aggressive position by suggesting practices and procedures from the Guidelines, primarily. This is instead of raising an issue and saying, in effect, "what do you think?" Instead, I'm offering a position and asking you to support it or argue with it

Are we getting a little ahead of ourselves here.
Should these items wait to be decided until after the co-chairs are actually named ? I think it should be left
up to the co-chairs to propose the rules by which the working group will follow.  Perhaps we can start the discussions now,
but I would think that it would ultimately be up to the co-chairs to suggest and approve formal adoption of the working groups
processes and procedures.

My 2 cents.

Woody

From: Ryan, Jim
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 9:30 AM
To: 'openframeworkwg at lists.openfabrics.org'; 'Coulter, Susan K'; Rimmer, Todd; Woodruff, Robert J; Wood, Donald E; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (rsdance at soft-forge.com<mailto:rsdance at soft-forge.com>); Berry, Frank; Hefty, Sean; Stachura, Tom L; grun at cray.com<mailto:grun at cray.com>; Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (Brad.Benton at amd.com<mailto:Brad.Benton at amd.com>); 'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu'; Sur, Sayantan; 'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (rebecca at openfabrics.org<mailto:rebecca at openfabrics.org>); 'Goldiez, Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; 'tzahio at mellanox.com'; 'linden at cmf.nrl.navy.mil'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)'; 'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'openframeworkwg at lists.openfabrics.org'; 'Coulter, Susan K'; 'Jeff Becker'; Rupert Dance (rsdance at soft-forge.com<mailto:rsdance at soft-forge.com>); grun at cray.com<mailto:grun at cray.com>; Bill Boas; Benton, Brad (Brad.Benton at amd.com<mailto:Brad.Benton at amd.com>); 'Mani Subramaniyan'; 'Tom Reu'; 'Avneesh Pant'; Rebecca Moran (rebecca at openfabrics.org<mailto:rebecca at openfabrics.org>); 'Goldiez, Brian'; 'Christoph Lameter'; 'tzahio at mellanox.com'; 'linden at cmf.nrl.navy.mil'; 'Marcin Ocwieja'; 'Jeff Squyres (jsquyres)'; 'Dave'; 'David Goodell (dgoodell)'; 'Cesare Cantu (cantuc)'
Subject: OFA OFWG meeting minutes and responses to AR re organizational recommendations

I'm sorry for the length of the attached, but I don't believe there's any way around it. I reviewed the OFA Bylaws and the IBTA Guidelines for suggestions as to how to identify the areas we touched on in our meeting yesterday, and additional areas suggested by the Guidelines themselves.

I'm taking a relatively aggressive position by suggesting practices and procedures from the Guidelines, primarily. This is instead of raising an issue and saying, in effect, "what do you think?" Instead, I'm offering a position and asking you to support it or argue with it

I'm hoping we can make significant progress by email to set up another productive meeting on Tuesday

Thanks,

Jim Ryan
Technology Initiatives and Industry Marketing (TiiM)
(503) 712-0408
cell (503) 970-9246
jim.ryan at intel.com<mailto:jim.ryan at intel.com>

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