[Openframeworkwg] Googleable names
kens at openfabrics.org
Thu Jan 30 11:48:52 PST 2014
If I may pitch in on the Googleability question. Fewer and fewer people
today search by a single word or acronym. Openframework returns a lot of
non-OFA hits. 'what does the openframework working group do' returns hits
to us, as does 'what is the ofa ofwg'. 'what is ofwg' returns a lot of hits
to Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them All, whatever that is. Google is scary in
its sophistication of searching very specific questions. There are
questions I don't want to ask Google. I don't want to know what it might
know. We are surprisingly returning a lot of hits with openframework
working group and ofa ofwg, considering we don't have any direct/specific
web presence on the web site.
Brian is now off the list.
On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Doug Ledford <dledford at redhat.com> wrote:
> On 1/30/2014 12:58 PM, Paul Grun wrote:
> > Look, the objective here started out as a way to increase our
> > visibility on Google.
> > My personal opinion is much different than Doug's in a number of
> > respects.
> I get that a lot ;-)
> > I do not think that anything we do should be tied to the
> > underlying interconnect e.g. RDMA. I do think that the major thrust
> > of what we are doing is creating a framework that supports a set of
> > composable APIs that provide applications with access to a set of I/O
> > services.
> > To me, the focus is still, and should remain, on the framework part
> > of it because that is the unique thing we're doing. To be specific,
> > the key insight, at least as I see it, is that there is no single API
> > to rule them all, but rather a set of composable APIs and that
> > requires a framework to make it work. That's what makes the work we
> > are doing unique.
> But even a framework of composable APIs is still an API itself. This
> may be a unique API with some distinctive characteristics that makes it
> somewhat special, but it's still an API.
> I'll also say that maybe RDMA is the wrong phrase for me to use here
> (although it's the most widely recognized generic term for what I am
> referring to). RDMA has long been an umbrella for the more generic
> concept of "network I/O that does not need kernel direction and instead
> goes directly to the correct user space process memory space". It has
> been *implemented* via the verbs RDMA API, but even that API is only
> part RDMA and part send/recv. What I'm really referring to is the user
> space process direct nature of the underlying interconnect. So in as
> much as RDMA has been overloaded to cover all of that, I was using it in
> that fashion, but I could also see a more correct name (which doesn't
> yet exist I don't think).
> > As far as "fabrics" go, the name of our parent organization, for
> > better or for worse, is the OpenFabrics Alliance. I don't see us
> > changing that. Nor do I read that as implying that we (the OFA) are
> > defining the fabrics themselves; that has never been the charter of
> > the OFA.
> Yes, but it does not follow that because the organization is named
> OpenFabrics Alliance that then everything the organization works on must
> also be named *something*fabrics*something* or
> *something*open*something*. It is entirely legitimate for the
> OpenFabrics Alliance to work on whatever it determines is germane to its
> goals, and IMO it is entirely sufficient for the OpenFabrics Alliance
> portion of the name to carry the brand while the rest carries the
> project intent.
> > Our current name is OpenFramework Working Group. Someone pointed out
> > that that does not google well. But there is a fine line to be
> > walked here - let's not give ourselves a name that is so obscure that
> > nobody knows how to google for us at all. A completely unique name
> > is of no use at all if no one searches for it.
> On this point I agree with Jeff: the name need not be known to be good.
> It will become known as the work is done. No one accidentally stumbles
> onto OFED or OFA EWG, they get there because they know generally what
> they are aiming for and they googled it to get the exact address. This
> group will have its work known in the same way and be found in the same
> way. Obscurity at the outset is not really a concern IMO.
> > So I suggest we stick pretty close to home and go with OFA Framework
> > Working Group - OFWG.
> > Any objections? -Paul
> This goes right back to the original point of the entire thread: that
> particular moniker is not unique and the googleability will be
> compromised. So if we are concerned about solving the googleability
> issue, then this moniker fails whether we want it to or not. If we just
> want to stick with the moniker because it tickles our fancy and not
> worry about googleability, then that's a valid choice too.
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