[ofiwg] A question on FI_DELIVERY_COMPLETE

[Sur, Sayantan]

SHMEM: there is a wait_until call that the responder calls that basically waits until the value in the memory location changes. Then there is shmem_barrier_all, in which the responder could also have participated.

MPI: In passive mode operation - the requestor (origin) needs to unlock a window (or flush), and send a message to the responder (target) that allows the target to inspect the data.

There is some talk in MPI Forum to introduce a call that does MPI_Put with notify, but it doesn’t exist currently. If it was introduced, maybe it could use the feature you’re suggesting?

Thanks,
Sayantan.



On 10/21/15, 9:51 AM, "Paul Grun" <grun at cray.com> wrote:

>What are those mechanisms that MPI and SHMEM use?
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>Wouldn't it be useful if the requester could simply use REMOTE_CQ_DATA and be assured that the responder wouldn't get the completion until the data had been placed into cache?
>-Paul
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>Having the notification at the requester is useful for MPI RMA or SHMEM use cases. This allows MPI/SHMEM to wait for a local event that indicates remote completion. The responder side is passive in these use cases.
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>Both MPI and SHMEM have different mechanisms to let the responder know when it is able to look at the data.
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>Thanks,
>Sayantan.
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>From: <ofiwg-bounces at lists.openfabrics.org<mailto:ofiwg-bounces at lists.openfabrics.org>> on behalf of Paul Grun <grun at cray.com<mailto:grun at cray.com>>
>Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 at 9:33 AM
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>Subject: [ofiwg] A question on FI_DELIVERY_COMPLETE
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>Here’s my understanding of how FI_DELIVERY_COMPLETE works on the *responder* end:  If you are doing an RMA operation, and the requester uses CQ_REMOTE_DATA to signal the end of the transfer to the responder, and the responder has FI_DELIVERY_COMPLETE set, then the responder won’t get a completion event until the data is actually visible to the responder.
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>I ask because the man pages imply that FI_DELIVERY_COMPLETE, which is an operation flag, applies only to the requester side.  But it is much less important to notify the requester that data is visible to the responder, than it is to notify the responder itself.
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>Comments?
>-Paul
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