[openib-general] FW: Open letter to OpenIB membership re-SC05 and response to last board meeting

Ryan, Jim jim.ryan at intel.com
Mon Oct 17 07:24:14 PDT 2005


I am cross-posting this email to the general mailing list to bring
attention to the activities at SC'05 related to InfiniBand. This is
important work you may not be aware of

Thanks, Jim Ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Boas [mailto:bboas at llnl.gov] 
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 1:21 PM
To: Ryan, Jim; openib-promoters at openib.org
Cc: Rupert Dance; Phamdo, Tuan; tom tucker
Subject: Open letter to OpenIB membership re-SC05 and response to last
board meeting

Jim, and Fellow Members,

I apologize for not participating in the last Board meeting where the 
IBTA CIWG and OpenIB presentation was made to those on the call and
voted on.

The slides presented contain serious misconceptions of the state of 
the OpenIB core stack (not some of the ULPs) that call into question 
the value of the full set of members of OpenIB accepting the proposal 
as presented and the subsequent time to market and financial
implications.

First the misconceptions:

Slide 1 Current status - it is rather simplistic to state that each 
vendor provides its own unique stack and that interoperability is not 
well established.

Many customers like the Labs have mixes of HCA's from one vendor 
working, and some in production, with anothers vendors switches. It 
is in the subnet managers that the mixing has not taken place so 
extensively, and the SMs are involved more in configuring and 
management than interoperability.

One of the main goals, already well on its way to achievement, is to 
have only ONE CORE stack in the Linux distributions that all IB 
vendors, mobo vendors, OEMs (IBM, dell, Sun etc.), database, 
filesytem and storage (Oracle, NetApp and DDN etc.) [I'm going to 
label these the IB EcoSystem"], AND IB customers (Labs, NSF sites, 
enterprise data centers, embedded systems, etc.) ALL use in their OWN 
product releases and that customers use at their sites. This 
consistency derives from the open source nature of the core stack and 
its resilience and readiness for use UBIQUITOUSLY can only derive 
from widespread EcoSystem and Customer beta testing.

Slide 2 - Motivation - each of the statements on this slide are 
substantially erroneous IMHO.

Interoperability between IB vendor h/w and s/w is regularly deployed 
today with what we used to call Gen1 and with some sites already 
using Gen2 (i.e. OpenIB release 1.0 candidates) in production end 
users i.e customers understand "vendor lock" is probably not a 
problem today and will go away with the release of OpenIB Rel 1.0 and 
its distribution made available to customers.

Motivation -Cont

The major purpose of the OpenIB sponsorship of the IB infrastructure 
at SC05 in November is to demonstrate in a public forum that the IB 
EcoSytem and its Customers (abeit in HPC at this time) are "THERE NOW".

I agree that the Enterprise community may not feel that if HPC shows 
OpenIB rel 1.0 is "THERE" that more proof maybe needed, but a 
Plugfest is not the forum for this, I suggest. The solution is 
getting more customers from the Enterprise community to understand 
that in an open source ecosytem validation that new or updated 
software is ready for their production use is their responsibility 
(if they want the full value of open source) or they can turn to a 
Tier 1 or 2 or integrator to provide that assurance/comfort for them 
at some cost they are willing to bear).

Slide 3 - Technical details -

many details of what needs to be tested and verified in a beta 
environment over a sustained period of time are missing (perhaps as 
Lamprey and UNH are not part of the ecosystem or substantial 
customers they don't yet understand what needs to be done or the open 
source and open community environment necessary).

verbs, kdapl, portals NAL, udapl, iser, cm are all missing ..... as 
customers we may have issues about the physical layer, links and 
cables but the issues are not solvable at a plugfest....

Event Logistics -

SC05 and participation in SCinet05-IB is OPEN to ANYONE, there are 
products and members from the whole EcoSystem and Customers (more 
than just HPC), there's more variety of hardware, software and 
applications there than UNH could ever put together, anyone can 
demonstrate or test anything from anywhere in the world because its 
open to the Internet, if the exhibitors allow it.

The occurrence of problems will be in the open. And BTW there's data 
center fiber, campus, MAN and WAN IB compliance and interoperability 
being shown also.

The press will be there and can be shown, or see, IB in action - they 
need not be wary of a press release issued by those who have self- 
interest in its content.

So here's a suggestion or two for activities that I hope others will 
organize at SC05:

1) "IBTA CI and Interop" stakeholders prepare tests to run over 
SCinet05-IB (see diagram attached) to ferret out the problems that 
they think exist and document the results of those tests on this and 
the openib-general mail lists for the whole community to learn about. 
If Lamprey and UNH wish to participate and learn I'm sure the IB 
EcoSystem will welcome them and help.

2) Most IMPORTANTLY, (as SC05 is not a marketing trade show per se, 
but a technical and professional conference where testing and 
experimentation is encouraged,) the engineering, software developers, 
the QA and support teams of each of the IB vendors, Tier 1and 2s, 
Mother board and commodity system vendors, Integrators, software 
distributors and Customers (they are all at SC05)

TEST THE HECK OUT  the CORE STACK and the ULPs and their customers' 
APPLICATIONS  (SCinet05-IB should be up and running without 
interruption for approx 4 x 24 hour days and open to the world)

3) All members of the IB EcoSystem should also post on these mail 
lists and the OpenIB web site any issues with OpenIB, Operating 
Systems, and Applications they find on the SCinet05-IB infrastructure.

4) At SC05 OpenIB organizes (Jim can you arrange that?) a meeting of 
the membership to review in real time what has been learned and 
decide on whether and when OpenIB release 1.0 (and what that actually 
is) can be released.

I hope this email generates a lot of discussion and debate......My 
hope is that SC05 will prove OpenIB release 1.0 is ready for release 
in December 05.. we'll see...

In another email we will update the members on the XNET booth demo an 
integrated OpenIB and iWARP stack that Tom Tucker et al. are working 
on courtesy of Sandia and NetApp and will be a useful input to the 
integration working group referenced in the minutes.

Respectfully,

Bill.


     At 04:09 PM 10/12/2005, Ryan, Jim wrote:
>Let me know if comments/corrections on the attached. Note the 
>request for the integration team to start work ASAP
>
>Thanks, Jim Ryan, Chairman, OpenIB
>
>
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