[openfabrics-ewg] [Openib-promoters] SDP licensing

Ryan, Jim jim.ryan at intel.com
Mon Jan 22 07:21:11 PST 2007 

Dave, in addition to any info Sujal may supply, this is a reminder this
is a topic for the Board meeting later this morning

Regards, Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: openib-promoters-bounces at openib.org
[mailto:openib-promoters-bounces at openib.org] On Behalf Of David Ford
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 7:16 AM
To: Sujal Das
Cc: openfabrics-ewg at openib.org; openib-promoters at openib.org
Subject: [Openib-promoters] SDP licensing

Sujal,

I did a search for SDP on my OFA mailbox and this is the most recent
thread 
I found that has any mention of SDP. What is the latest status on our 
negotiations with Microsoft to modify their SDP license to permit open 
source development in OFA?

-- Dave

At 06:13 PM 11/9/2006, Sujal Das wrote:

>It is the same OFA Windows stack that SST and Mellanox and Voltaire are

>referring to. Mellanox packages it as Win IB.  It is the same 
>collaborative work with MS.  The reason WHQL has not been accomplished
yet 
>is not entirely under the control of OFA members and MS is helping the 
>best they can.  If you want further details on how MS is progressing,
we 
>can initiate/broker a discussion with you and MS - but will have to be
in 
>a non public forum to respect third party NDA commitments.
>
>- Sujal
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Ching Ching Ganley <chingching.ganley at tyan.com>
>To: Woodruff, Robert J <robert.j.woodruff at intel.com>; Ryan, Jim 
><jim.ryan at intel.com>; Sujal Das; asafs at voltaire.com
<asafs at voltaire.com>; 
>bboas at systemfabricworks.com <bboas at systemfabricworks.com>; 
>johann.george at qlogic.com <johann.george at qlogic.com>; dford at netapp.com 
><dford at netapp.com>; jriotto at cisco.com <jriotto at cisco.com>; Thad Omura
>Cc: openfabrics-ewg at openib.org <openfabrics-ewg at openib.org>; 
>openib-promoters at openib.org <openib-promoters at openib.org>; Eric Chang 
><eric.chang at tyan.com>
>Sent: Thu Nov 09 15:02:01 2006
>Subject: RE: [Openib-promoters] [openfabrics-ewg] Microsoft chooses not
to 
>be on Agenda at Dev. Summit
>
>Tyan works closely with the MSFT Windows CCS product group, and have
been 
>told by MSFT  that the IB WHQL tests are to be done by Mellanox, and
our 
>recent conversation with Mellanox was their driver has not been WHQL 
>certified yet.  We are interested in getting our next generation
cluster 
>product certified and have the OFA stack integrated into our CCS
release 
>as soon as possible.  Without the WHQL certification, we cannot have
our 
>CCS pre-installed systems shipped with IB integrated.
>
>
>
>Does anyone know what the real story is, please?  If Silverstorm is
doing 
>the work, what is Mellanox' role?  Could the real Windows IB WHQL 
>developer stand up, please?
>
>
>
>Ching-ching
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Woodruff, Robert J 
>[<mailto:robert.j.woodruff at intel.com>mailto:robert.j.woodruff at intel.com
]
>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 1:20 PM
>To: Ryan, Jim; Sujal Das; asafs at voltaire.com;
bboas at systemfabricworks.com; 
>johann.george at qlogic.com; dford at netapp.com; jriotto at cisco.com; Thad
Omura
>Cc: openfabrics-ewg at openib.org; openib-promoters at openib.org
>Subject: Re: [Openib-promoters] [openfabrics-ewg] Microsoft chooses not
to 
>be on Agenda at Dev. Summit
>
>
>
>Jim,
>
>
>
>I recall from the last OpenFabrics workshop at IDF that the Microsoft 
>program manager for
>
>HPC said durring their presentation that Microsoft was actively helping

>with getting the stack WHQL'd
>
>on CCS,  working with the people from Mellanox and Fab.
>
>
>
>woody
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: openfabrics-ewg-bounces at openib.org 
>[<mailto:openfabrics-ewg-bounces at openib.org>mailto:openfabrics-ewg-boun
ces at openib.org] 
>On Behalf Of Ryan, Jim
>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:28 PM
>To: Sujal Das; asafs at voltaire.com; bboas at systemfabricworks.com; 
>johann.george at qlogic.com; dford at netapp.com; jriotto at cisco.com; Thad
Omura
>Cc: openfabrics-ewg at openib.org; openib-promoters at openib.org
>Subject: Re: [openfabrics-ewg] [Openib-promoters] Microsoft chooses not
to 
>be on Agenda at Dev. Summit
>
>Sujal, sorry, but I disagree. But maybe I just didn't explain myself.
To 
>my knowledge WHQL testing has been discussed many times, but because of

>the complexity of the stack, it's never been agreed to. I believe 
>additional work on the testing process was needed.
>
>
>
>I also disagree with your statement about MSFT and iWARP. When the
issue 
>of iWARP came up initially I called Jim Pinkerton personally to get his

>views. He said he had no choice but to come to OpenIB as an
authoritative 
>source of a single stack for IBA. However, for iWARP, Jim said they 
>intended to provide support natively in their OS, so there was nothing
for 
>us to do for iWARP support in conjunction with the Windows stack for
IBA.
>
>
>
>AFAIK, the only work before is to get the IBA stack WHQL certified - I 
>don't know that there's any iWARP work to be done. I'm happy to be
proven 
>wrong, but that's what I understand
>
>
>
>Jim
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Sujal Das [<mailto:Sujal at Mellanox.com>mailto:Sujal at Mellanox.com]
>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:57 AM
>To: asafs at voltaire.com; Ryan, Jim; bboas at systemfabricworks.com; 
>johann.george at qlogic.com; dford at netapp.com; jriotto at cisco.com; Thad
Omura
>Cc: openfabrics-ewg at openib.org; openib-promoters at openib.org
>Subject: Re: [Openib-promoters] Microsoft chooses not to be on Agenda
at 
>Dev. Summit
>
>
>
>I second Asaf on this.
>
>There has been significant work done on the Windows IB stack.  But just
by 
>a handful of vendors.
>
>The statement about Microsoft not doing WHQL on the OFA Windows stack
is 
>incorrect.  The statement about Microsoft supporting iWARP only is 
>incorrect - their Longhorn strategy is transport agnostic.  SAN
providers 
>for Longhorn can still come from OFA - no one is precluding it.
Someone 
>needs to do the real work.
>
>The OFA Windows stack as it exists today in Beta form has been used by 
>Microsoft in some of their CCS deployments and is being actively tested

>within MS.  There is no lack of support from Microsoft.  There is
however, 
>lack of windows developer participation in OFA, relative to Linux. That
is 
>the crux of the problem.
>
>We can discuss how to fix that.
>
>Sujal
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: openib-promoters-bounces at openib.org 
><openib-promoters-bounces at openib.org>
>To: jim.ryan at intel.com <jim.ryan at intel.com>;
bboas at systemfabricworks.com 
><bboas at systemfabricworks.com>; johann.george at qlogic.com 
><johann.george at qlogic.com>; dford at netapp.com <dford at netapp.com>; 
>jriotto at cisco.com <jriotto at cisco.com>; Thad Omura
>Cc: openfabrics-ewg at openib.org <openfabrics-ewg at openib.org>; 
>openib-promoters at openib.org <openib-promoters at openib.org>
>Sent: Thu Nov 09 09:55:30 2006
>Subject: Re: [Openib-promoters] Microsoft chooses not to be on Agenda
at 
>Dev. Summit
>
>
>Guys,
>
>As I stated earlier today, not having MS lead the panel or attend at
all 
>has nothing to do with having a session on the OFA windows 
>project.  Voltaire and Mellanox have been working on this project and 
>invested more resources than SS.  Voltaire is shipping products based
on 
>this project and our OEMs resell it.  As part of the OFA community 
>Voltaire decided to discontinue its proprietary stack when this project

>started. We should treat it as a viable project.
>
>If needed Voltaire will glad to lead this discussion next week it would
be 
>even more appropriate to do it jointly with MLNX.
>
>Asaf
>
>
>
>--------------------------
>Asaf Somekh
>Voltaire - The Grid Backbone
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ryan, Jim <jim.ryan at intel.com>
>To: Bill Boas <bboas at systemfabricworks.com>; Asaf Somekh; Johann George

><johann.george at qlogic.com>; David Ford <dford at netapp.com>; Jamie Riotto

><jriotto at cisco.com>; Thad Omura <Thad at Mellanox.com>
>CC: Open Fabrics <openfabrics-ewg at openib.org>;
openib-promoters at openib.org 
><openib-promoters at openib.org>
>Sent: Thu Nov 09 18:56:38 2006
>Subject: RE: Microsoft chooses not to be on Agenda at Dev. Summit
>
>Bill, thanks for raising the question. I'm a little confused by what's
>happening from the earlier initiative shown by SilverStorm in
developing
>and then "controlling" the Windows stack, through some of their
>initiatives around version control and so on. It's not clear that's
>continuing on, or that it's been handed off to someone
>
>I'm afraid working with MSFT will be frustrating. They don't seem to
>want to work with us on WHQL certification, and as you know they have
>their plan for iWARP support, so we'll never have something in the
>Windows arena that will works as seamlessly as what we envision for
>Linux.
>
>My recommendation is to continue the work we've started recently with
>SDP and make it clear we'd like to engage more broadly, because we do.
>An IBA solution that leaves out Windows isn't nearly as appealing as
one
>that includes it
>
>I'm certainly open to other ideas
>
>Thanks, jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Boas 
>[<mailto:bboas at systemfabricworks.com>mailto:bboas at systemfabricworks.com
]
>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:43 AM
>To: 'Asaf Somekh'; Ryan, Jim; 'Johann George'; 'David Ford'; Jamie
>Riotto; 'Thad Omura'
>Cc: 'Open Fabrics'; openib-promoters at openib.org
>Subject: Microsoft chooses not to be on Agenda at Dev. Summit
>
>Microsoft has withdrawn their "talk" on the basis it's a primarily
Linux
>agenda and attendees will not be that interested. They are saying they
>will
>have an observer present.
>
>OF Windows seems to be somewhat in a hiatus? As an Alliance we should
>figure
>out what we want to do about it?
>
>One approach might be to form a small group to work out an approach to
>Microsoft to try to form a tighter collaboration between the Alliance,
>per
>se, and Microsoft as an alternative to each of the IB h/w vendors
>working
>separately with them, as it appears is now the way it is going??
>
>Microsoft has repeated their strong interest in working with the
>Alliance
>but there so far the evidence of that work is where????
>
>Thoughts, please!
>
>Bill Boas
>VP, Business Development | System Fabric Works
>bboas at systemfabricworks.com | 510-375-8840
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Asaf Somekh
[<mailto:asafs at voltaire.com>mailto:asafs at voltaire.com]
>Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:13 AM
>To: Jeff Squyres; Bill Boas
>Cc: Open Fabrics
>Subject: RE: [openfabrics-ewg] Results of agenda teleconf
>
>
>Jeff,
>
>Inserted Or and Yaron instead of Voltaire TBDs.
>
>As for the Windows session - I believe we should have it even if
>Microsoft doesn't show up. There are issues that we need to discuss
>regardless.
>
>Asaf
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: openfabrics-ewg-bounces at openib.org
>[<mailto:openfabrics-ewg-bounces at openib.org>mailto:openfabrics-ewg-boun
ces at openib.org] 
>On Behalf Of Jeff Squyres
>Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 8:58 PM
>To: Bill Boas
>Cc: 'Open Fabrics'
>Subject: Re: [openfabrics-ewg] Results of agenda teleconf
>
>On Nov 7, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Bill Boas wrote:
>
> > Because I requested it for the many people interested in the agenda
> > that do not wish to find or use the Developers wiki.
>
>I've addressed these points in prior e-mails, so clearly the
>information is not being received somehow.  None of us have any more
>time before SC to continue this debate.  I'll happy continue to
>discuss this over food and beverage while at SC.
>
>So -- see you all at SC!  :-)
>
>--
>Jeff Squyres
>Server Virtualization Business Unit
>Cisco Systems
>
>
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