[openfabrics-ewg] [Openib-promoters] SDP licensing

[David Ford]

At 10:21 AM 1/22/2007, Ryan, Jim wrote:
>Dave, in addition to any info Sujal may supply, this is a reminder this
>is a topic for the Board meeting later this morning

Exactly! I hope someone else can speak to this since I have no current status.

-- Dave


>Regards, Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: openib-promoters-bounces at openib.org
>[mailto:openib-promoters-bounces at openib.org] On Behalf Of David Ford
>Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 7:16 AM
>To: Sujal Das
>Cc: openfabrics-ewg at openib.org; openib-promoters at openib.org
>Subject: [Openib-promoters] SDP licensing
>
>Sujal,
>
>I did a search for SDP on my OFA mailbox and this is the most recent
>thread
>I found that has any mention of SDP. What is the latest status on our
>negotiations with Microsoft to modify their SDP license to permit open
>source development in OFA?
>
>-- Dave
>
>At 06:13 PM 11/9/2006, Sujal Das wrote:
>
> >It is the same OFA Windows stack that SST and Mellanox and Voltaire are
>
> >referring to. Mellanox packages it as Win IB.  It is the same
> >collaborative work with MS.  The reason WHQL has not been accomplished
>yet
> >is not entirely under the control of OFA members and MS is helping the
> >best they can.  If you want further details on how MS is progressing,
>we
> >can initiate/broker a discussion with you and MS - but will have to be
>in
> >a non public forum to respect third party NDA commitments.
> >
> >- Sujal
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Ching Ching Ganley <chingching.ganley at tyan.com>
> >To: Woodruff, Robert J <robert.j.woodruff at intel.com>; Ryan, Jim
> ><jim.ryan at intel.com>; Sujal Das; asafs at voltaire.com
><asafs at voltaire.com>;
> >bboas at systemfabricworks.com <bboas at systemfabricworks.com>;
> >johann.george at qlogic.com <johann.george at qlogic.com>; dford at netapp.com
> ><dford at netapp.com>; jriotto at cisco.com <jriotto at cisco.com>; Thad Omura
> >Cc: openfabrics-ewg at openib.org <openfabrics-ewg at openib.org>;
> >openib-promoters at openib.org <openib-promoters at openib.org>; Eric Chang
> ><eric.chang at tyan.com>
> >Sent: Thu Nov 09 15:02:01 2006
> >Subject: RE: [Openib-promoters] [openfabrics-ewg] Microsoft chooses not
>to
> >be on Agenda at Dev. Summit
> >
> >Tyan works closely with the MSFT Windows CCS product group, and have
>been
> >told by MSFT  that the IB WHQL tests are to be done by Mellanox, and
>our
> >recent conversation with Mellanox was their driver has not been WHQL
> >certified yet.  We are interested in getting our next generation
>cluster
> >product certified and have the OFA stack integrated into our CCS
>release
> >as soon as possible.  Without the WHQL certification, we cannot have
>our
> >CCS pre-installed systems shipped with IB integrated.
> >
> >
> >
> >Does anyone know what the real story is, please?  If Silverstorm is
>doing
> >the work, what is Mellanox' role?  Could the real Windows IB WHQL
> >developer stand up, please?
> >
> >
> >
> >Ching-ching
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Woodruff, Robert J
> >[<mailto:robert.j.woodruff at intel.com>mailto:robert.j.woodruff at intel.com
>]
> >Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 1:20 PM
> >To: Ryan, Jim; Sujal Das; asafs at voltaire.com;
>bboas at systemfabricworks.com;
> >johann.george at qlogic.com; dford at netapp.com; jriotto at cisco.com; Thad
>Omura
> >Cc: openfabrics-ewg at openib.org; openib-promoters at openib.org
> >Subject: Re: [Openib-promoters] [openfabrics-ewg] Microsoft chooses not
>to
> >be on Agenda at Dev. Summit
> >
> >
> >
> >Jim,
> >
> >
> >
> >I recall from the last OpenFabrics workshop at IDF that the Microsoft
> >program manager for
> >
> >HPC said durring their presentation that Microsoft was actively helping
>
> >with getting the stack WHQL'd
> >
> >on CCS,  working with the people from Mellanox and Fab.
> >
> >
> >
> >woody
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >
> >From: openfabrics-ewg-bounces at openib.org
> >[<mailto:openfabrics-ewg-bounces at openib.org>mailto:openfabrics-ewg-boun
>ces at openib.org]
> >On Behalf Of Ryan, Jim
> >Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 12:28 PM
> >To: Sujal Das; asafs at voltaire.com; bboas at systemfabricworks.com;
> >johann.george at qlogic.com; dford at netapp.com; jriotto at cisco.com; Thad
>Omura
> >Cc: openfabrics-ewg at openib.org; openib-promoters at openib.org
> >Subject: Re: [openfabrics-ewg] [Openib-promoters] Microsoft chooses not
>to
> >be on Agenda at Dev. Summit
> >
> >Sujal, sorry, but I disagree. But maybe I just didn't explain myself.
>To
> >my knowledge WHQL testing has been discussed many times, but because of
>
> >the complexity of the stack, it's never been agreed to. I believe
> >additional work on the testing process was needed.
> >
> >
> >
> >I also disagree with your statement about MSFT and iWARP. When the
>issue
> >of iWARP came up initially I called Jim Pinkerton personally to get his
>
> >views. He said he had no choice but to come to OpenIB as an
>authoritative
> >source of a single stack for IBA. However, for iWARP, Jim said they
> >intended to provide support natively in their OS, so there was nothing
>for
> >us to do for iWARP support in conjunction with the Windows stack for
>IBA.
> >
> >
> >
> >AFAIK, the only work before is to get the IBA stack WHQL certified - I
> >don't know that there's any iWARP work to be done. I'm happy to be
>proven
> >wrong, but that's what I understand
> >
> >
> >
> >Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >
> >From: Sujal Das [<mailto:Sujal at Mellanox.com>mailto:Sujal at Mellanox.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:57 AM
> >To: asafs at voltaire.com; Ryan, Jim; bboas at systemfabricworks.com;
> >johann.george at qlogic.com; dford at netapp.com; jriotto at cisco.com; Thad
>Omura
> >Cc: openfabrics-ewg at openib.org; openib-promoters at openib.org
> >Subject: Re: [Openib-promoters] Microsoft chooses not to be on Agenda
>at
> >Dev. Summit
> >
> >
> >
> >I second Asaf on this.
> >
> >There has been significant work done on the Windows IB stack.  But just
>by
> >a handful of vendors.
> >
> >The statement about Microsoft not doing WHQL on the OFA Windows stack
>is
> >incorrect.  The statement about Microsoft supporting iWARP only is
> >incorrect - their Longhorn strategy is transport agnostic.  SAN
>providers
> >for Longhorn can still come from OFA - no one is precluding it.
>Someone
> >needs to do the real work.
> >
> >The OFA Windows stack as it exists today in Beta form has been used by
> >Microsoft in some of their CCS deployments and is being actively tested
>
> >within MS.  There is no lack of support from Microsoft.  There is
>however,
> >lack of windows developer participation in OFA, relative to Linux. That
>is
> >the crux of the problem.
> >
> >We can discuss how to fix that.
> >
> >Sujal
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: openib-promoters-bounces at openib.org
> ><openib-promoters-bounces at openib.org>
> >To: jim.ryan at intel.com <jim.ryan at intel.com>;
>bboas at systemfabricworks.com
> ><bboas at systemfabricworks.com>; johann.george at qlogic.com
> ><johann.george at qlogic.com>; dford at netapp.com <dford at netapp.com>;
> >jriotto at cisco.com <jriotto at cisco.com>; Thad Omura
> >Cc: openfabrics-ewg at openib.org <openfabrics-ewg at openib.org>;
> >openib-promoters at openib.org <openib-promoters at openib.org>
> >Sent: Thu Nov 09 09:55:30 2006
> >Subject: Re: [Openib-promoters] Microsoft chooses not to be on Agenda
>at
> >Dev. Summit
> >
> >
> >Guys,
> >
> >As I stated earlier today, not having MS lead the panel or attend at
>all
> >has nothing to do with having a session on the OFA windows
> >project.  Voltaire and Mellanox have been working on this project and
> >invested more resources than SS.  Voltaire is shipping products based
>on
> >this project and our OEMs resell it.  As part of the OFA community
> >Voltaire decided to discontinue its proprietary stack when this project
>
> >started. We should treat it as a viable project.
> >
> >If needed Voltaire will glad to lead this discussion next week it would
>be
> >even more appropriate to do it jointly with MLNX.
> >
> >Asaf
> >
> >
> >
> >--------------------------
> >Asaf Somekh
> >Voltaire - The Grid Backbone
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ryan, Jim <jim.ryan at intel.com>
> >To: Bill Boas <bboas at systemfabricworks.com>; Asaf Somekh; Johann George
>
> ><johann.george at qlogic.com>; David Ford <dford at netapp.com>; Jamie Riotto
>
> ><jriotto at cisco.com>; Thad Omura <Thad at Mellanox.com>
> >CC: Open Fabrics <openfabrics-ewg at openib.org>;
>openib-promoters at openib.org
> ><openib-promoters at openib.org>
> >Sent: Thu Nov 09 18:56:38 2006
> >Subject: RE: Microsoft chooses not to be on Agenda at Dev. Summit
> >
> >Bill, thanks for raising the question. I'm a little confused by what's
> >happening from the earlier initiative shown by SilverStorm in
>developing
> >and then "controlling" the Windows stack, through some of their
> >initiatives around version control and so on. It's not clear that's
> >continuing on, or that it's been handed off to someone
> >
> >I'm afraid working with MSFT will be frustrating. They don't seem to
> >want to work with us on WHQL certification, and as you know they have
> >their plan for iWARP support, so we'll never have something in the
> >Windows arena that will works as seamlessly as what we envision for
> >Linux.
> >
> >My recommendation is to continue the work we've started recently with
> >SDP and make it clear we'd like to engage more broadly, because we do.
> >An IBA solution that leaves out Windows isn't nearly as appealing as
>one
> >that includes it
> >
> >I'm certainly open to other ideas
> >
> >Thanks, jim
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Bill Boas
> >[<mailto:bboas at systemfabricworks.com>mailto:bboas at systemfabricworks.com
>]
> >Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:43 AM
> >To: 'Asaf Somekh'; Ryan, Jim; 'Johann George'; 'David Ford'; Jamie
> >Riotto; 'Thad Omura'
> >Cc: 'Open Fabrics'; openib-promoters at openib.org
> >Subject: Microsoft chooses not to be on Agenda at Dev. Summit
> >
> >Microsoft has withdrawn their "talk" on the basis it's a primarily
>Linux
> >agenda and attendees will not be that interested. They are saying they
> >will
> >have an observer present.
> >
> >OF Windows seems to be somewhat in a hiatus? As an Alliance we should
> >figure
> >out what we want to do about it?
> >
> >One approach might be to form a small group to work out an approach to
> >Microsoft to try to form a tighter collaboration between the Alliance,
> >per
> >se, and Microsoft as an alternative to each of the IB h/w vendors
> >working
> >separately with them, as it appears is now the way it is going??
> >
> >Microsoft has repeated their strong interest in working with the
> >Alliance
> >but there so far the evidence of that work is where????
> >
> >Thoughts, please!
> >
> >Bill Boas
> >VP, Business Development | System Fabric Works
> >bboas at systemfabricworks.com | 510-375-8840
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Asaf Somekh
>[<mailto:asafs at voltaire.com>mailto:asafs at voltaire.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 2:13 AM
> >To: Jeff Squyres; Bill Boas
> >Cc: Open Fabrics
> >Subject: RE: [openfabrics-ewg] Results of agenda teleconf
> >
> >
> >Jeff,
> >
> >Inserted Or and Yaron instead of Voltaire TBDs.
> >
> >As for the Windows session - I believe we should have it even if
> >Microsoft doesn't show up. There are issues that we need to discuss
> >regardless.
> >
> >Asaf
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: openfabrics-ewg-bounces at openib.org
> >[<mailto:openfabrics-ewg-bounces at openib.org>mailto:openfabrics-ewg-boun
>ces at openib.org]
> >On Behalf Of Jeff Squyres
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 8:58 PM
> >To: Bill Boas
> >Cc: 'Open Fabrics'
> >Subject: Re: [openfabrics-ewg] Results of agenda teleconf
> >
> >On Nov 7, 2006, at 11:45 AM, Bill Boas wrote:
> >
> > > Because I requested it for the many people interested in the agenda
> > > that do not wish to find or use the Developers wiki.
> >
> >I've addressed these points in prior e-mails, so clearly the
> >information is not being received somehow.  None of us have any more
> >time before SC to continue this debate.  I'll happy continue to
> >discuss this over food and beverage while at SC.
> >
> >So -- see you all at SC!  :-)
> >
> >--
> >Jeff Squyres
> >Server Virtualization Business Unit
> >Cisco Systems
> >
> >
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